Interesting. A scant 5 days from release and I have to say this is the first time I've heard of it.

From what reviews I've been able to pick up over the web, I'm not surprised it's being met with the criticism it has been receiving. Especially claims of giving a dishonest pretense from evolutionists who were interviewed. I guess we are suppose to glean that the answered they gave would have changed or have even been less open and honest had they known, but from the questions given it's hard to believe such supposedly educated individuals were unaware of what they were talking about.

I'm especially amused by criticisms of the film not actually going into evolution or intelligent design, because that's obviously not what the film is about. It's obviously more about going into the suppression of a side, rather than which is right or wrong. That issue is for the classroom where the ID is being suppressed.

I look forward to it this weekend.

SJ and End - of course studies sent to scientific journals for publication will be reviewed by scientists, what did you expect, theologists? Do you think this is because of some worldwide conspiracy to keep the real truth from being known? You certainly sound pretty darn paranoid about something.

More like a conspiracy to keep people from discovering what is true on their own, and making them accept what is being force feed to them. And if it's not sufficiently proven that it's a consipracy in the sense that there is a group plotting in a room (yet  ), it's certainly been proven that there is a reigning attitude.

Please tell us why you think that the scientific community is deliberately "suppressing" what you see as the truth. Oh, and while you're at it, please explain how you think life began on earth, since the trailer made a big deal about how science doesn't know exactly what happened. I'm afraid God saying "LET THERE BE, LIKE, LIFE, OR SOMETHING!!" is not going to cut it.

I can only repeat what SJ mentioned in his blog: Read the story of Gonzalez.

http://sntjohnny.com/front/fired-for-advocating-intelligent-design-the-evolutionary-inquisition-continues-orthodox-science-not-to-be-questioned/209.html

One doesn't have to 'believe', when one can know it for a fact.

And yes, God saying 'Let there be life.' is exactly how I would say it happened, given the evidence of ID and evolutsionists utter failure in dealing with the abiogenisis issue. Obviously I don't pretend that this will satisfy an atheist, but then I'm not the one who believes in a process without a clue as to how it even got started, yet must have faith that it did.

I have never seen anyone take so much pride in his ignorance as you do, SJ. You are either a smart guy who is willfully deceiving himself, or you are a moron.

Thank God. I almost thought we were dealing with an imposter if there wasn't atleast one jab coming from you. 

End, you are describing what religion used to be able to do, and what you wish to return to. What you are actually seeing is a truly open minded effort to get to the real truth.

Yes such broad sweeping generalizations, I must remember who I'm talking to. Actually I'm describing what a religion is doing right now in the guise of science, as evolution and atheism are just as much religion as Hinduism and Christianity.

That is for you to believe as a matter of faith based on the Bible. Just don't try to tell me there is any actual evidence for it.

Then don't try to tell me that there is actual evidence for macroevolution and abiogenisis happening in some kind of random and natural way. Sound fair?

Which is as credible as Xenu and his jumbo jets - perhaps we should publish articles on Scientology by Tom Cruise in Scientific American? What you propose is no less absurd.

What I propose is the free discussion of ideas in a classroom, and allowing people to decide for themselves. I can see why that would be absurd to those who feel threatened by it, but the only conclusion would be that they have accepted something as dogma and oppose free thinking. Much like how you would characterize a religion I imagine.

You learn fast  .

And apparently you don't at all. 

This is pretty tired stuff, End. Your tactics are Flat Earth Creationist 101. First, pretend your faith is science - then pretend their science is faith. If fools nobody.

No, my faith is simply supported by science since a finite universe and the fact that matter, time, and space are proven to be created things are very much accepted as scientific fact and not so coincedently have been advocated as fact in the Bible for thousands of years. And interestingly the Bible is the only religious text that views time as a created construct. I hold that science is science, because I'm knowledgable as to what science actually is, and what lines it can never cross. I simply note that evolutionists in general and atheists in particular cross those lines every day. Screaming with scissors.

I have no doubt that you would like to have Christianity taught in schools so that you could catch people while they were still too young to question the absurdity of your dark age beliefs. Since you are unable to do that, you want to sneak it in the back door with the pseudoscience of "Intelligent Design". Thankfully, the transparency of this tactic is clear to all including your Christian brethren, who don't want it any more than I do. They find you and your folklore embarrassing.

Who's talking about Christianity? This is basic theism. Trust me I'm sure Jews and Muslims would be more than happy to include this in discussions. Which is one of the reasons the issue is shuffled off to the judgement of the courts and the desicisions of the few. If atheists actually let the people decide the outcome may not turn out the way they want it.

Calling Atheism a religion is like calling health a disease. I don't oppose free thought at all - but I oppose deceit. I don't mind if you tell my children what Christians believe in school, as long as you tell them why they believe it - simply because they believe what it says in the bible. Don't invent a laughable pseudoscience to make it look more credible. You should probably also tell them what Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Scientologists, and Mormons believe, and why they believe it. I think most ten year olds will be able to see the truth. I can't help wondering why you can't. Or choose not to.

Calling atheism health is like saying a blind man can see. And you reveal the laughable strawman that your rant is, as I have in no way said this would promote Christianity per se, though it certainly gives every theistic belief a leg up on atheism. Almost the only thing ID would threaten would be atheism, which is why we get such colorful, yet empty, rhetoric and outrage from those like you.

If your definition of scientific is "I read it in the Bible, so it must be true" you are very knowledgable, indeed.

No I simply know that philosophy and mathematics must be in place before science can even get started, and that science is very limited in that it can only make empirical observations (induction).

Teach theology in schools by all means, I agree that we should be able to make up our own minds and I have nothing to fear from that. Just don't lie about it and pretend there's anything more to it than personal belief.

You really do love calling Christians liars, don't ya? Unfortunately such a statement fails to note that all belief is a personal matter (and atheism falls in here as well), and it holds no barring on whether it is true or not.

In that case, why do the vast majority of Christians and other believers find it quaint and amusing? ID threatens absolutely no one, it is just dark age mumbo jumbo. It is utterly hilarious that you are trying to appear like the open minded, progressive one, when in fact you are a religious crackpot who belongs firmly in the past.

Or the gulags I take it, huh Stalin? And it's quite self-evident that ID is very threatening as there is a clear behavior to keep it out of the classroom. Otherwise there wouldn't be an issue of it being suppressed.

Didn't take long, did it? Classic Flat Earth Creationist 101 tactic. Nasty Atheist accuse you of being stuck in the Dark Ages? Strike back by equating his lack of belief with Communism!

No, I equate you with being either a moron or a coward. You accuse those who don't share your belief as being a 'crackpot' and 'nut' who don't belong in the modern age. Where do people usually go who are viewed that way? The asylums or gulags. So you are either a complete idiot for not thinking the implications of your derogatory remarks through, or you're a coward for not outright saying it. Take your pick.

He won't know what hit him! Unfortunately, Flat Earth nuts all use the same tactic, and it's rather sad and pathetic to hear it yet again, particularly when it's in reply to a post where I said that I would be happy for Theology to be taught in schools so that people could make up their own mind.

Yes, the condescension and insults dripping with almost every sentence you write is a clear indication of your open-mind and tolerance.

Not at all - just the ones who lie.

About what? That there is evidence to support ID? Hardly a lie when those like Dawkins acknowledge that the universe does appear designed, but try to argue that it's only an appearance. Seems such facts have to be acknowledged as true if they argue that such facts don't mean the painfully obvious.

I suppose we are threatened by Voodoo, Scientology and Witch Doctoring - I don't see them being taught as factual in the classroom, either. The only "threat" is the one that you so obviously feel from the reality of evolution. You should. It proves your Bible is just a story.

*snicker* Given how abiogenisis hasn't been resolved in any naturalistic fashion, and I dare say never will, I find your dogmatic attitude amusing. Pathetic given that such declarations have been made over the past century, yet religion in general and Christianity in particular have hardly been removed as atheists predicted they would be. But amusing none the less.