Topic: Atheists can't be pleased- or Stathei's Snob Fallacy (Read 7117 times)

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #40 on:** October 08, 2005, 09:39:51 PM »

Alright. How about this.

I'll apologize for calling you a jerk. It was unnecessary and distracts from the point that I'm really making which is the cause of this thread in the first place. Asking a question in which no matter what answer is given results in ridicule is not rational. Asking the question on one's own initiative and then pawning it off as being on the other person's initiative only deepens the problem.

That is my main point, but you don't seem to think there is a problem with it. Do you think its rational to ask questions you expect to ridicule no matter what answer is given?

Stathei · « **Reply #41 on:** October 09, 2005, 08:55:50 AM »

Cimics, thank you for the reply - I'm surprised that it would be stretching credibility for a Christian to interpret the devil as a symbolic figure. This leads to:

SJ, I am sorry for ridiculing your reply - I did not expect you (or anyone else) to believe in the devil as an entity and was a little shocked. I would not have ridiculed you if you believed in the symbolic version and I think you are jumping to conclusions based on your prior experiences rather than with my question. I did not realise that it is inconsistent with Christianity not to believe in the devil as an entity, so I wouldn't have yelled "HA! HYPOCRITE" as you expected.

In short, I DID NOT ASK THE QUESTION EXPECTING TO RIDICULE NO MATTER WHAT ANSWER IS GIVEN. You imagined that, SJ.

I also never pawed it off as being on your initiative, but I did state that it didn't really matter who started it.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #42 on:** October 09, 2005, 09:09:05 AM »

I suppose a bird in hand is better than two in the field. Let's move on.

I think if you want to continue having a conversation about the specific topic of Satan, it probably warrants its own thread. There are some waiting issues for you over on the 'there are no believers' thread, as well. Perhaps I will start a new thread on that one too. I have to work this afternoon though so it won't be until later tonight.

If you are not going to be leaving us as I thought you were, I don't know if I can really stick this fallacy on you. I will spend every moment of the next six hours trying to think of a more appropriate title of the fallacy. Heck, maybe the fallacy already has a name.

Unless you want me to retain it?

Stathei · « **Reply #43 on:** October 09, 2005, 09:51:46 AM »

Agreed. Start a new thread with the "waiting issues", SJ, and let's get back to the part where we insult each other

Copernicus · « **Reply #44 on:** October 09, 2005, 01:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Stathei

But how was he created? Did God create him? If he did, why? If he didn't, who did? This is why if I were a Christian I don't think I'd believe in the devil as an entity - do you have to believe in the devil as an entity to be a Christian?

It is also worth mentioning that many scholars believe the modern theological concept of Satan arose only after Persian religious traditions came into contact with the Hebrew tradition. Under Zoroastrianism, 'Ahriman' was an uncreated being--an evil god that was the opposite of 'Ahura Mazda', the good god. See this Wikipedia article on the Devil for more details.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #45 on:** November 05, 2005, 09:27:38 PM »

Mmmm...doesn't "devil" or "satan" simply mean adversary? Some make this out to always mean a spiritual entity with powers equal to g(G)-d. That is very much telling of the stance where one is arguing from?

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