Topic: Great Atheist DVD (Read 12676 times)

Stathei · « **on:** February 03, 2006, 09:18:11 PM »

Check out "The God Who Wasn't There", a Fahrenheit 9/11 style documentary about the myth of Jesus and the falsity of Christianity. Compulsory viewing for all Atheists, and cringe inducing unwatchableness for all Christians. It is brilliant.

anura · « **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2006, 12:20:11 AM »

Quote from: Stathei

Check out "The God Who Wasn't There", a Fahrenheit 9/11 style documentary about the myth of Jesus and the falsity of Christianity.

Why you target only the christians and Jesus? Be broad minded and open it forall fanatical belief.

JustLiz · « **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2006, 12:34:41 AM »

Where did you get the movie? I have been looking for it for weeks but have been unsuccessful.

Copernicus · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2006, 12:48:55 AM »

Go to infidels.org. They've been advertising it for a long time, and you can get purchase information from them. I have not seen the movie.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2006, 12:59:53 AM »

This should be interesting. I probably will view this cd but will only present what the many arguments I've seen on this forum...so, it be nothing new. And I have looked at the infidel site and find it quite good, actually.

G.

Copernicus · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2006, 01:32:52 AM »

Geegee, I think that the film features Earl Doherty, among other atheists. He does present a compelling argument that Christ may never have existed. Basically, he claims that there were two movements in Palestine that could have given rise to the New Testament tradition--the Son of Man and Son of God movements. Doherty depicts those as two different religious movements--one centered in Galilee, and the other in Jerusalem. All of this is laid out in his book, The Jesus Puzzle.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2006, 01:45:48 AM »

Okay. Thanks for the info Cop. I especially like the way you said "may" or "could"... that is telling and truthful.

G.

Cogito · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2006, 01:53:25 AM »

Here are a few clips from the movie that I found here: The God Movie

Clip 1: Jesus as myth.

Clip 2: Christs before Christ.

Clip 3: Earth and sun.

Clip 4: The Rapture.

Clip 5: Trailer.

Click on the above and they should play in windows media player. Quick time player clips are also available at the site linked above.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2006, 02:17:08 AM »

Okay. That is good news. I do have the media player installed in my small computer...so I will definitly hook up to those links that cog provided. I doubt though, that this will make me athiest. I just have thought about this too much already.

G.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2006, 08:43:38 AM »

Au Contraire, G. You haven't been listening to the whole package. If you had really thought about these things, you'd be an atheist already.

Stathei · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:03:45 AM »

Wow, Cogito, you rule

! I got the dvd from Netflix, CNM. The arguments for Jesus as a mythical figure are strong, and we know many of them, but it is nice to have it all in one place with expert opinion - and even a little humor. I would be very interested in a Christian rebuttal - from someone who has seen the movie, preferably

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BrotherLaurence · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:13:25 AM »

I'm game.....if I can find it. I'm not a Netflix guy, and I'd rather not buy it...but. If I must. I must. I gather I won't find it at the Library

or at our local video store?

Personally, doubting even the EXISTANCE of Jesus throws away a ton credibility in my eyes [on the same scale, I'd imagine, as for an atheist who hears a Christian that still doubts the existance of dinosaurs--as some Satanic plot (sigh)]

But I'll try to find it, view it, and give a reflection.

Stathei · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:32:26 AM »

I would appreciate that, Brother - you could always get a free trial of Netflix

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I don't think you can take the existence of Jesus as being as conrete a fact as the existence of dinosaurs, but please watch the movie and let us know what you think.

BrotherLaurence · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:35:37 AM »

Oh....good point. I guess you'd say we'd need his bones for that!

I'll go find the DVD.

Stathei · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2006, 02:31:36 PM »

The Shroud of Turin was pretty impressive, until it was exposed as a fake...

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2006, 04:10:46 PM »

Was it? Not that I care much about the Shroud, personally, but the last information that I heard was that the people who thought it was faked have themselves had their research undermined. Last I heard, its back on the table.

Copernicus · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2006, 04:19:44 PM »

Quote from: sntjohnny

Was it? Not that I care much about the Shroud, personally, but the last information that I heard was that the people who thought it was faked have themselves had their research undermined. Last I heard, its back on the table.

Reference?

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2006, 04:35:01 PM »

"The Son Also Rises" by William Lane Craig. Pg 65-66

Sample:

"According to one member of American scientists- all of whom, by the way, were skeptical before they began their research- who was interviewed on the television program "20/20", "Very conservatively, very conservatively, the odds of the shroud being a forgery are about one in ten million." italics in original.

No reference to the date and time of this event. Some discussion of why these people believed this was discussed just previously in the book.

Stathei · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2006, 04:54:30 PM »

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In 1988, the Vatican allowed the shroud to be dated by three independent sources--Oxford University, the University of Arizona, and the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology--and each of them dated the cloth as originating in medieval times, around 1350. The shroud allegedly was in a fire during the early part of the 16th century and, according to believers in the shroud's authenticity, that is what accounts for the carbon dating of the shroud as being no more than 650 years old. To non-believers, this sounds like an ad hoc hypothesis. According to microchemist Dr. Walter McCrone,

"The suggestion that the 1532 Chambery fire changed the date of the cloth is ludicrous. Samples for C-dating are routinely and completely burned to CO2 as part of a well-tested purification procedure. The suggestions that modern biological contaminants were sufficient to modernize the date are also ridiculous. A weight of 20th century carbon equaling nearly two times the weight of the Shroud carbon itself would be required to change a 1st century date to the 14th century (see Carbon 14 graph). Besides this, the linen cloth samples were very carefully cleaned before analysis at each of the C-dating laboratories."

I know, SJ - Satan is at work again, planting evidence to tempt us away from the Lord...

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:45:58 PM »

You're so narrow minded it amazes me. You weren't listening to me, were you?

Perhaps I can put it into context for you- the book I cited was published in 2000. You cited a reference for 1988. What I said- had you lifted your head out of your bias for a moment long enough to read what I said- was that this research has come into question and is not accepted any more. That is the 'last I had heard.' Last year I read material on the Shroud's main web page confirming much the same.

You're working with old information.

I don't particularly care. I don't need the Shroud. I suppose it must send shivers up your spine though if it can't be debunked. Or, should we say, from your point of view, old information or not, it doesn't matter- it simply CAN'T be real. Its simply NOT possible. There can BE no evidence for the supernatural, because you already know that there is no supernatural, and you have derived that position from your view that there is no evidence for the supernatural.... which you have already assumed there can't be at all.

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