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« on: June 26, 2005, 06:22:36 AM »

And I quote;

   "Many skeptics would rather challenge the authenticity of my experience.  I'm not entirely sure why that is.  I suspect it may be that, in their opinion, anyone who was 'truly' a skeptic would never have returned to Christianity.  But a skeptic I was, and to Christianity I did return.  The sharp eye will recognize the skeptic's fallacy as the one they like to bandy about so much... The 'no true scotsman' fallacy. "

The sharp eye will reconize this fallacy exists only in johnny's suspicions.

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2005, 03:03:09 PM »

I would rather think that the "sharp eye" realizes that we ALL are full of bushi...I mean, fallacies...to some extent.  I cannot judge how another experiences life.  But I can...maybe..show them how to experience it differently?
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2005, 07:44:50 AM »

I Dig man. Profound dude!  

(insert "Hippie" emoticon here)


(sincerly. I dig what you're saying)
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2005, 08:07:33 AM »

lol
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2005, 07:04:01 PM »

The No True Scotsman Fallacy is essentially this:

A statement is made like such- "True Scotsman don't put sugar on their corn flakes."

When presented with an instance of a Scotsman that puts sugar on their corn flakes, the rebuttal is that the man surely can't be a true Scotsman, evidenced by the fact that he just put sugar on this corn flakes.

The statement "Scotsman don't put sugar on their corn flakes" is taken as a definitional statement of what constitutes a 'true Scotsman.'

So, I was an atheist and a skeptic for a time, but I have been confronted by atheists that say that I must not have been an atheist and a skeptic, apparently because anyone who was a 'true atheist and/or skeptic' would never have abandoned that position.

That is the No True Scotsman Fallacy.   As I said, it takes a sharp eye to see it, so perhaps we ought not be surprised my dear friend Harry missed it.  ;)  

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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2005, 10:30:29 PM »

Ahhhh but my dear friend Johnny misses the point I was making. The point was not the definition of the fallacy, but that this fallacy exists only in johnny's suspicions as stated in his statement quoted above.

If johnny were to re-word this statement to read "Skeptics have stated to me..." or "I have been confronted by atheists who stated stated to me...." or some such thing then I wouldn't have anything to poke fun at.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2005, 10:40:09 PM »

Oh, and any dull-eye could have caught that. So it's no surprise Johnny missed it. :P
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2005, 07:36:20 AM »

Oh monstrosity.

I'll re-word it for thy pleasure, oh sultan of the AC.
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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2005, 04:33:28 PM »

Quote from: Heretic
Oh, and any dull-eye could have caught that. So it's no surprise Johnny missed it. :P

So Johnny's not a dull-eye?   :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2005, 12:01:04 AM »

So Johnny's not a dull-eye?

He doesn't rise to the level of dull-eye! So, no, he is not. He can only aspire to reach that level! HA!  :P
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2005, 12:03:21 AM »

I'll re-word it for thy pleasure.....

I WIN?!?  :D
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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2005, 07:49:51 AM »

Harry I never knew i had a sultan. Sntjohnny must think I'm powerful.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2005, 09:14:59 AM »

By 'Sultan of the AC' I meant by 'AC' air conditioning.

The whole idea that I have allowed Heretic to win one turns my stomach.  I also recall that Copernicus had challenged me on this point and I wonder if my bad verbage had generated his challenge, and it would turn my stomach doubly so if I had to allow both of these fellows to have a victory, no matter how minor.

<-----mutters under breath....
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2005, 09:15:21 PM »

A likely story!
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2005, 04:33:32 PM »

and my little brother says....
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2005, 03:03:04 PM »

I caught the AC as air conditioning and had a good laugh. No, I don't remember Corn challenging you on this, I been meaning to do it for quite some time, just always forgot about it when I logged in.

I see it still hasn't been changed though. :P
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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2005, 02:36:58 PM »

huh?
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2005, 02:05:42 PM »

Right!
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2005, 03:14:37 PM »

Classic! :wink:
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