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« on: November 15, 2005, 05:00:58 PM »

I want to post this post side by side with the bible debate.

I think it's about time we get this off the ground.

First set of questions (for atheists).

Why are you an atheist?

What effected your life in some way, that after hearing about Christ you rejected His call?

How do you percieve Jesus?

Who's information do you refer to and base this perspective on?

If God came into or would come into your life and effected it in some way, would you accept that? What would that be in your ideal reality?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 10:26:11 PM »

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Why are you an atheist?


Can you easily answer the question "Why are you a Christian?"  I doubt that you would want to claim that it is just because your parents were Christians or you happen to live in a Christian country, but that is probably the proximal reason why most Christians are Christian.  Mature Christians would probably come up with a number of rationales for why they remain Christian, despite the changes of attitude and opinion that they underwent at various times in life.

The question for atheists who are Christian apostates is "Why did you reject your religion?"  That process is seldom simple.  For many of us, it evolved over a number of years, and there were many factors that led to rejection of belief in God and/or Christ.  I would say that the reasons I give today for not being a believer are a bit different from those I would have given at the time of my decision to reject belief.  Now I would consider myself a "strong atheist", and I have posted some of my thoughts on this in other threads.

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What effected your life in some way, that after hearing about Christ you rejected His call?


What call?  I would say that one of the major reasons for rejecting belief in God (and consequently, Christ) was the lack of a call, or "divine silence"--the lack of evidence that God existed.  This did not (and continues not to) be what one would expect if God really did exist.  After all, if a truly omnipotent being wants you to believe in it, why would there be any question of its existence?  After you reject belief in God, a lot of other things seem to fall into place--why minds seem to be totally dependent on physical brains, the lack of evidence that miracles are real, the fact that there are so many different religions, the fact that religions tend to spread geographically from a single location rather than to be distributed across many different locations, the bad historical track record of religious explanations for physical phenomena, and so on.

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How do you percieve Jesus?


Not at all.  :smt047  Ok, sorry, but I couldn't resist that.  There may or may not have been a real person who inspired the legend, but subsequent stories of his life made a lot of sense in an era where there was no shortage of messiahs and holy men.  Jesus happened to be the story that survived its competitors.

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Who's information do you refer to and base this perspective on?


It makes more sense to ask for authoritative sources from people who subscribe to religious authorities.  Atheists tend not to be disciples, although they may find various arguments persuasive or non-persuasive.

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If God came into or would come into your life and effected it in some way, would you accept that? What would that be in your ideal reality?


That's hard to say.  I suppose a lot would depend on what kind of entrance God chose to make.  I tend not to put much faith in God's human spokesmen, so he would need to find some other way of getting through to me.  My ideal reality would be one in which I could continue to exist in absolute bliss and contentment for eternity, never feeling any pain or disappointment.  Do you have some special insight into how I could bring about such a wonderful state of existence, other than wishful thinking and self-deception?  Some use drugs, although the desired state never seems to last.  Religion supplies the expectation, but uncertain results.   ;-)
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2005, 12:26:28 AM »

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That's hard to say. I suppose a lot would depend on what kind of entrance God chose to make. I tend not to put much faith in God's human spokesmen, so he would need to find some other way of getting through to me. My ideal reality would be one in which I could continue to exist in absolute bliss and contentment for eternity, never feeling any pain or disappointment. Do you have some special insight into how I could bring about such a wonderful state of existence, other than wishful thinking and self-deception? Some use drugs, although the desired state never seems to last. Religion supplies the expectation, but uncertain results.


I think what you said here is interesting. The reason is, I used to feel like this in some ways.

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Do you have some special insight into how I could bring about such a wonderful state of existence, other than wishful thinking and self-deception?


No I don't. I can only tell you, after accepting the forgiveness of God, I don't feel like I would want bliss (euphoria) never ending. I didn't really understand it at the time, but I have learned that being a christian is more about accepting hardship as a pathway to peace, rather then bliss.

I think your answers are interesting although you havn't answered all my questions.

Thanks. [cool
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2005, 04:04:06 PM »

Q:Why are you an atheist?
A:Simple, but to the point. Atheism is more logical.

Q:What effected your life in some way, that after hearing about Christ you rejected His call?
A:What made you after hearing that you would get virgin women not go and kill non-muslums?

Q:How do you percieve Jesus?
A:A myth like like Hercules.

Q:Who's information do you refer to and base this perspective on?
A:An atheist shouldn't just receive information from one source.  Some information I have gathered thru books, internet, etc.

Q:If God came into or would come into your life and effected it in some way, would you accept that? What would that be in your ideal reality?
A:If Allah came into or would come into your life and affected it in some way, would you accept that? If I gave you nice juicy red apple, would you still eat it if it was poisonous?
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." (Washington, D.C., April 1999) [2]

"One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment." (ibid.)
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2005, 10:30:22 PM »

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A:If Allah came into or would come into your life and affected it in some way, would you accept that? If I gave you nice juicy red apple, would you still eat it if it was poisonous?


Hmmm was that an answer?
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2005, 11:25:00 PM »

My ramble on the subject of atheism. (this topic may not refer to all atheists, this on the topic of some, most, or just plain the few I met or have been in contact with.) Oh and no offense meant, this is sharring my frustration. I have not done it like this and may not ever again.
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2005, 12:21:50 AM »

Dark territory, I'm sorry that you feel such anger and resentment towards atheists.  The Koran prescribes death to those who would deny the existence of God.  I suppose that I can take some solace in the fact that you are a civilized Christian, so you are content to just vent.   Why is it such a crime in the eyes of some that people would suspend belief in deities?  What threat do we pose to you?
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2005, 12:24:25 AM »

Well, seems that this thread is taking off in another direction?   But that is okay if the starter of this thread does not mind...

But I'm still waiting for a response to my last post.. I feel like a libby little  bird...in a libby little cage...did you trap me, Anti??  Explain.
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2005, 12:27:43 AM »

No cop, I don't think it's a crime I dont think anyone should be forced to believe in a god. I simply frustrated, because all this time the arguing is going, each and everyone could be better informed by the one based on the argument. Namely God. The entire argument is in the name of God of course some of you may disagree.

Yes Geegee I agree. I'm going to try and chill out now on the whole deal, I vented. I think I'm done.

p.s thanks for your concerns.

I plan to remove my rants and posts containing rants. This doesn't change how I see things right now. I'm simply very tierd and more then usually irritable and you all shouldnt have to bear with it. If you want to know what I said contact me pm
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2005, 03:52:12 PM »

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Well, seems that this thread is taking off in another direction?   But that is okay if the starter of this thread does not mind...

But I'm still waiting for a response to my last post.. I feel like a libby little  bird...in a libby little cage...did you trap me, Anti??  Explain.

 :smt017 I'm so confused
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." (Washington, D.C., April 1999) [2]

"One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment." (ibid.)
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2005, 07:22:34 PM »

What are you confused about AH?
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2005, 10:51:44 AM »

geegee only has one post on this topic.
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." (Washington, D.C., April 1999) [2]

"One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment." (ibid.)
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