I thought I already answered this. Anyways, let us suppose for the sake of the argument that energy-the whole universe of energy we call the cosmos- was not created, as many atheists have traditionally believed. If this is so, it is meaningless to ask who made the universe. If energy is eternal and uncreated, of course no one created it. It has always existed. However, if it is meaningless to ask, "Who made the universe?" since it has always existed, then it is equally meaningless to ask "Who made God?" since he has always existed. If the universe is not eternal, it needs a cause. On the other hand, if it has no beginning, it does not need a cause of its beginning. Likewise, if a God exists who has no beginning, it is absurd to ask, "Who made God?" It is a category mistake to ask, "Who made the unmade?" or "Who created the Uncreated?" One may as well ask, "Where is the bachelor's wife?"

What?

Well, if the universe began to exist (which is what contemporary Big Bang theory posits), then the Christian is justified in asking what it began from.  God did not begin to exist.  So, the atheist is not justified in asking what or where God began to exist from.  Even excluding God... whatever the universe began to exist from (God or not) values such a question.

The only way your question can be justified is if it is granted that the universe has always existed... something that's easily refuted.

I think Heretic is going to learn how muslums feel about Xtians.

Phil did? Where? You got this thead confused with another?

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I've had the pleasure to speak with many of the local nationals here. Not all muslims have a hatred towards xianity. Many are quite liberal and have a live and let live attitude and harbor no ill feelings toward anyone.
The coalition is viewed as liberators and not conquerors.  

The ill feelings most seem to possess are towards the insurgents and their old dictator, Sadam Hussein.

What's that got to do with the question of who made God anywho?

In what way does your 'philosophical assertion' that God always has been have any more weight than my assertion that all the matter and energy which makes up our universe always has been?

Yes our universe can be shown to have had a beggining. The universe that is here and now. The matter and energy that makes this universe what it is has always existed.

Are you saying there is only one?

Universe!

The universe AS WE KNOW IT began to exist. I am justified in stating all the matter and energy which makes up our universe has always existed.

Not so easily refuted. The matter and energy (M&E) did not begin to exist therefore asking where it came from is not justified.

The question would be, how did all that matter and energy arrange itself into the universe as we know it (UAWKI???)?  We must ultimately posit something that does not have a beginning as ultimately bringing UAWKI about.  It's at that point that we consider that God may be the most probable alternative.

Most xians will claim it is impossible for conscience or self awareness to just arise on it's own with out some sort of designing, guiding process. Seems to me this should apply to your God also. If we conscience beings needed a conscience designer then that conscience designer needed one also.

No, because God did not begin to exist; therefore, He needs no other explanation.  If a non-aware physical universe cannot adequately explain awareness, then one must conclude that awareness is an eternal/integral part of reality.

The cosmological argument says there must be something 'eternal' (that did not begin to exist).  You could say the 'awareness addendum' to the cosmological argument is that the eternal thing must also explain awareness.  If an eternal non-aware cause of the universe cannot explain awareness, then the eternal cause of the universe must be aware.

Well, let me know what you're confused on, and I'll try to clear it up