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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/11/ngreen211.xml

"Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change."

Which just goes to show you that those who buy into global warming are dangerous!
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Why is this in the Book Reviews forum, and why is Dawkins mentioned in the title?  No book seems to be under review, and the death threats in question have nothing to do with religion or atheism.  Just wondering what is going on here.
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Its just a pot shot.  ;)  For it is in Dawkins's book the 'God Delusion' where he lists examples of some death threats that he received from religionists in his ongoing assault on whether or not religion is dangerous etc.   In this link, you concede "the death threats in question have nothing to do with religion or atheism" so that neatly undermines Dawkins's arguments using death threats for evidence as well.   Some people can just be whacko- that tells us more about people than it does the dangerousness of the 'beliefs.'

As an aside, I wonder if the death threats in this link really do have nothing to do with atheism.  Proponents of a coming calamity via global warming do tend to be liberal and liberals do tend to be athiests more often than conservatives might.  Whether or not they are atheists or not for sure I can't say, but I doubt they are religionists.
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Its just a pot shot.  ;)  For it is in Dawkins's book the 'God Delusion' where he lists examples of some death threats that he received from religionists in his ongoing assault on whether or not religion is dangerous etc.   In this link, you concede "the death threats in question have nothing to do with religion or atheism" so that neatly undermines Dawkins's arguments using death threats for evidence as well.   Some people can just be whacko- that tells us more about people than it does the dangerousness of the 'beliefs.'

OK, let me get this straight.  You had begun a review of Dawkins' book in this thread, but you very cleverly did not mention his book at all.  Instead, you linked to a news story about some poor schmuck who had tried to debunk the global warming myth and drawn death threats from deranged ecoterrorists.  Having suffered a momentary lapse in my telepathic abilities, I did not realize that you had mounted an argument in which I had already fallen into your trap.  By pointing out that the link had nothing to do with Dawkins or atheism, I had conceded that Dawkins' mention of death threats from deranged fundamentalist Christians was no evidence at all.  Dang!  How did I miss that?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and infer that Dawkins was trying to show that religion can drive some people batty enough to threaten atheists with death.  I'm still way behind you, but I'm beginning to see a glimmer of your brilliant argument from a distance.  I myself have felt that religion was somehow a motivating influence in some of the historical horrors of the past--war, torture, oppression.  Indeed, I may have placed too much emphasis on the fact that several countries still make atheism a capital crime, and there have been a few murders and bombings carried out by religion-besotted nuts in our country.  So, clearly, those threats to Dawkins had nothing at all to do with religious fanaticism, just as the death threats to the eco-debunker had nothing to do with political fanaticism.  Have I understood clearly the nature of your "Gotcha!"?

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As an aside, I wonder if the death threats in this link really do have nothing to do with atheism.  Proponents of a coming calamity via global warming do tend to be liberal and liberals do tend to be athiests more often than conservatives might.  Whether or not they are atheists or not for sure I can't say, but I doubt they are religionists.

Right.  So, having cleverly trapped me into conceding your imaginary argument, you have now moved on to demolish my hasty conclusion that atheism and ecoterrorism are completely unrelated topics.  Anyone can see that conservatives are united in the view that global warming is a myth, and that those prominent Republicans who have acknowledged its existence are probably scared by the ecoterrorists, pandering to liberal voters, or (worse) liberals in Republican clothing.  Now, atheists tend to be liberals, and liberals tend to believe in global warming.  By the law of transitivity, we can conclude that atheists tend to believe in global warming, and that means that it is reasonable to speculate that the ecoterrorists are atheists.  Well, why dance around it so much?  Religion had nothing to do with the death threats sent to Richard Dawkins, but atheists are promoting ecoterrorism.  It's all so obvious.  No wonder people send death threats to atheists.  Look at how badly they behave!  [biggrin
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heh well, it was all just a pot shot, as I said.  Nothing here that I intended to develop much.  You walked into as much as I was going to say on my own.  :)
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That's ok.  It's sometimes entertaining to see where you are going to end up once you construct one of these little petards.   :smt073
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Global Warming is real and caused by humans.  What does that make me? ;-)
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"Global Warming is real and caused by humans."

There were glaciers present right where I presently sit up here in S. Dakota, thousands of years ago. I can see now how far they have receeded. The path they took is very evident today being etched in the face of our continent., and I can also say they are still receeding. So I too am a very firm believer in Global warming, and its pretty obvious that this has been going on for a LONG time.


"What does that make me?"

half right.

Unless you can show me where our rock tipped spear chucking ancestors got us off on this nasty  downslide thousands of years ago, I won't bite on this humans caused it theory.  Aggravate it? today, maybe. Cause it? No way!

The Glaciers have receeded thousand of miles, and taken thousands of years doing it. I remember learning about them in grade school many years ago.

Now,  Al Gore has taken what has been common knowledge for centuries and is blaming it on US today!!!????  What human activity knocked those large ice packs back say the first 500 miles? The invention of fire?
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Sntj can be so weird somethimes...lol.

I think thats why I like him so much.  :)

What Joel says here just reminds me of a christian I just met.  He comes into my work place, and has done this for years... sitting at a table, working on his computer, writing notes... I just discovered he is christian.

This whole ice age thing is what he and I will be talking about tomorrow, actually.  He is YEC and I am NSS (Not So Sure) haha
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Re: Richard Dawkins receives death threats, proof that religion is dangerous!
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2009, 12:18:01 PM »

Comment to Copernicus: only about 5% of the wars in history have been religion based. (Please, look it up and correct me if you find that it is otherwise). 

Even scientists are admitting now that this is NOT global warming (the earth's temp. has been cooling for the past few years) ... Have you noticed the switch from people calling it global warming to calling it "climate change?" And also, the majority of greenhouse gases arises from the ocean. Not that I'm saying people shouldn't recycle, I think being good stewards of the planet is very important.
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