And I would add, as was one who was born out of due time, that MONO-thiesm is the ONLY correct view.  Too bad this is off topic, though.  Nojc is just stubborn, thats all, stiffnecked as Paul or Peter or Stephen would say...LOL.

But God will know how to correct!!

G.

geegee asked:

A. What do the Jewish authorities (Rabbis) think about the writings of the twelve Patriarchs? Where do they stand in authority concerning these writings? Or have they been rejected? IF so, why?

What "writings of the Twelve Patriarchs" would these be? I don't think I ever heard of them.

B. How has God changed?

He hasn't, ever, afaik. In fact Tanakh flatly states that God hasn't changed.

geegee said:

And taking on a human form does not dummy down God (God forbid it does) as you suggest!!

Of course, this assumes jesus was no dumby. That's not the case; he was dumb as a box of dirt.
He didn't know what plant has the smallest seed. He seemed to think that sewing salt on the ground would be of some value. He didn't know Hebrew.
He therefore wasn't God, if God doesn't change ("dumb down" as you put it) by becoming a man.

Perhaps this is one reason you CANNOT believe that CAN take a temporary form? I don't think, however, this is one thing you do "KNOW" because if you did "KNOW" God, then you would also KNOW that this would not dummy him down. God is glorious no matter what form HE chooses to reveal himself.

No, that's not correct. I KNOW God is not a man because He warned Moses not to think God is a man or a woman.

geegee said:

I don't like being ignorant. But, I also know, and accept, that I CAN be ignorant. I have no problem with that, nojc.

Good. I had a slight bit of fear that you might take that as an insult, when it wasn't intended to be.

Having said that, you will have to prove the above statement to me.

They all HEARD God speak, and SAW the very letters of the words He spoke at Sinai. The prophets only recieved their prophecies through visions and dreams. Moses was greater than the rest of Israel in the he was able to speak to God "face-to-face" as it were.

At this point, you to me, you are the one who has to show that you are not being totally honest or ignorant. Can a prophet lie?

A prophet can only say what God has directed him to say. Although all men have freewill, when he's speaking God's prophecies, a prophet can do nothing except repeat what God tells him to.

You can make these comments only because you have come to decide or believe that Jesus did not exist.

On the contrary; I make these statements only after granting for the moment, and only for the sake of argument, that he DID exist, and that the new testament accurately records his words and deeds.

But what IF Jesus did exist? Would you be more careful?

No. I have no fear of jesus, neither living nor dead. I could look him in the eyes and tell him without flinching that he was a bad son to his poor mother.
I fear him no less knowing he's a fictional character.

Let me ask you, nojc, do you understand all Hebrew?

Nope. Not much, actually. Some, but not much. A Jewish fellow named "Zvi" once said, "Not knowing Hebrew doesn't make you stupid. The stupid people are the ones who don't know Hebrew, but think they know the Hebrew scriptures better than people who do know Hebrew."

Jesus is contended to be of Hebrew stock. You say what you say only because you think Jesus did not exist. IF, Jesus did exist, then you wouldn't dare such nonsense.

Sure I could! I'd call him a liar to his face! He once said that none of his disciples had asked him where he was headed, while all the while the new testament makes it clear he had been questioned on that subject not once, but twice!
Of course, if his retort were to be that the new testament is a pack of lies and does NOT accurately record his words and deeds, I'd have to apologize.
But he would STILL not be a prophet, nor the king of Israel, nor the messiah, nor the "literal" son of God. (At least, no more than any other Israelite is.)
So I would still not fear him.

Why, BECAUSE, Jesus would be of Hebrew stock and you would dare not speak againtst the Hebrew of the Hebrews but be much more careful.

On the contrary. Correcting a sinning Jew is as much a part of my task as a Righteous Gentile as is is for a Jew, as far as I know. It's just that you don't know he was a sinner.

You freely speak against Paul because you do not believe that Paul was of Hebrew stock.

Nope. I freely speak against Paul because he was an anti-Semitic false prophet. That he was not Jewish is just icing on the cake, because it provides an opportunity to show that non-christians can know more about the new testament than many christians do.
"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows." - Mark Twain

I now know where you are coming from. Oh, man alive, imagine the line of thinking that goes on between you and the unbelieving Jew.

I rarely meet any Jews where I live, but when I do, I usually drop a timebomb in their laps. By that, I mean I ask them a question or give them a bit of Jewish wisdom that may not strike them deeply until days, weeks, or even years later. The hope is that, by that time, they'll be open to listening to the wisdom, and look around for more of it, which will be from his local Orthodox Rabbi.
For example, for the non-believing Jew, I could ask, if there is no God, why do the Jewish people continue to survive, especially for three thousand five hundred years, when history tell us that all their contemporaries, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Moabites, the Perizites, and many more, are all long since gone?
We find that the Talmud (Rosh Hashonoh 25b) tells us that the time between each appearance of a new moon can be no less than 29.53059 days. This information, reported Rabbi Gamliel in the Talmud, is part of the Oral Torah. Only this century did anyone else in the world have a calculation of that nature. Carl Sagan has stated that the period of time from new moon to new moon is 29.53058 days, only 100 thousandth of a day less! That's within 0.864 of a second of what the Talmud says! Scientists in Berlin later revised it to 29.530588 days, which is 0.6912 thousandths of a second closer to what the Talmud says (and the scientists are still not absolutely positive). How did the Rabbis know how long a month is to such a fine degree, except God told them?
For a Jew who has accepted the idolatry of christianity, I would ask, if the death of jesus was really a "final sacrifice for all sins," why will the Temple be built and sacrifices reinstituted in the messianic era? If jesus was the messiah, why are we not already living in the messianic era?

I will then end this with this thought... I didn't say that God was a man, or totally became JUST a man. But isn't also true that Moses "saw" God?

No; Moses never "saw" God. "No man can see God and live."