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Should Jews be thanked for rejecting Jesus?
« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2006, 03:01:51 AM »

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I know of no verse in the new testament that specifically says that "christ" means - or even has any association with - anointing.


I'm going to take the opposing opinion here with regards to the words and the comment above.

Moshiach and Christos both mean 'annointed'.   Like most words, there is an interpretation, if not even an emotional interpretation associated with it.  You are correct to say that Moshiach to the Jew is very different than Christos is to the Christian.  And there is no record of Jesus ever being "annointed" in the manner expected.  But that does not change the meaning of the word Christos.


Finally, it is evident in the Christian Scriptures that the followers of Jesus thought he was Moshiach. And one can assume, having read Luke chapture 4, Jesus believed he was annointed. Did he believe his purpose was that of the expected Moshiach?  I don't know.  He reportededly told his followers to wait for another one who was to follow.  Whether he really said that, or the writer was attempting to continue the Jesus story long past his death, is a question of faith.  Certainly there is no reference in the Hebrew Scriptures that Moshiach will not finish his job during his lifetime.


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Should Jews be thanked for rejecting Jesus?
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2006, 03:39:06 AM »

Quote from: nojc4me
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might suspect you want me to concede that christ means anointed (even in some narrow instances) so that you (or somebody else on this forum - I'm not naming any names) can take that concession out of context and throw it at me some time in the future when I deny that messiah directly translates into christ.
But I'm not that paranoid. :-)


And I'm not that dishonest. ;-) Nah, all I wanted was a question answered. You seem to have explained your viewpoint well enough for that, though Shalom then stood up and answered that the two words do in fact mean the same thing.

For the Greek-reading people of the time, whether or not the word's meaning of "annointed" was supported by events in the text (i.e. an actual instance of annointing) wouldn't really matter, as if christos meant "annointed," it would read as "annointed" to them.

From what I know of this issue so far, anyway, I see no reason to squabble over whether or not christos literally agrees with moshiach.  I feel no need to argue the case further, anyway, as 1) I have no obligation to do so, myself being agnostic; and 2) even if christos does mean the same as moshiach, it would not change whether or not Jesus was the "annointed one" he claimed to be, so bickering over definitions is pointless.
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