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kreil45

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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2007, 02:37:54 PM »

  no where in there does it says that its complete. this is where confusion comes in. you believe fulfillment to mean comeplete. i think you need to check the meaning of it. it has more then one. this is what i am talking about. that is why  we need a profit today to help us under stand these things. all of that Joseph Smith taught goes along with what Christ taught because he was a profit and that is what Christ told him to teach. what about the missing books that the bible talks about. with out those doesnt that mean its incomeplete.
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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2007, 04:23:26 PM »

"no where in there does it says that its complete."

What do you mean? I just showed you.

" this is where confusion comes in. you believe fulfillment to mean comeplete"

Yes, there is definately some confusion going on around here.

 So, if you were a Prophet given a few talents and sent to fulfill a mission that merely required making a profit, any profit, and you went out and profited, would the mission be completed or not?

What missing books does the bible talk about?

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Then He said to me, "Depart, for I will send you far from here to the gentiles"..........Paul, "the apostle to the gentiles".

"I am sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" Jesus....... "Go not into the way of the gentiles" Jesus to the 12.

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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2007, 06:24:25 AM »

 you will have to forgive my spelling. you will also have to remember that he spoke to many different groups of people. so these messages are are to them. which inturn could mean that his message is complete to them. i believe one of the books its talk about is the book of jasher in the OT. what about in the book of Micah were at the the end he says this is it. yet we have the NT. yes his mission would be but it doesn't mean his teaching them is.
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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2007, 02:11:02 PM »

Have you changed your mind about full filled not being complete?
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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 07:02:41 AM »

No!
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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2007, 06:45:06 PM »

"you will also have to remember that he spoke to many different groups of people. so these messages are are to them.  which inturn could mean that his message is complete to them."

WHAT???.........


 

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Re: A look at some Mormon claims/teachings
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2007, 10:58:08 PM »

Hmmm...

I would like to clarify what I meant earlier.. but it might not clarify anything at all.

I realize that the Christian Church (mainly Jews) had a struggle accepting Gentiles.  They needed "revelation" of sorts to get their pride out of the way.

One thing is this.. the ones rejected in the gospel writings were those who did not believe.  That is interesting which will eventually build my case here (I hope).

What I am afraid of concerning what our new member wrote is how far do we go with all this?  What if in the future we get the same results?  What if in the future we get a certian individual who crops up and tries to define truth to us all?  Where does it all stop?  One of my main concerns is that very thing.  We have many people already doing that very thing!  JS wasn't the first one to do this.. and he isn't going to be the last.  Better, I say, to forget about this burning in the bosom thing.... or whatever "prophets" tell us.

Now.. this is going to be confusing somewhat unless you really think it through.  I realize there is the need for CLARIFICATION.  Did Paul bring something new where and when Peter and James understood something?  NO.  Scripturally speaking, James and Peter came around to Pauls thinking and accepted it.  But humans are humans.

In my readings, there is no way that JS could be accepted by the first century church.. even after agreeing with Paul.  I could hardly imagine Paul putting his stamp on Mormonism if he were alive to view this movement.
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