Well, just who is Christ? Was he just  a good moral teacher? Is he God-incarnate, God in human flesh? Who was Jesus before he came to earth, if anything at all, and who is he now?

It is easy to say that one is a Christian because they are a follower of Christ. But one cannot say that they are a follower of Christ without defining exactly who Christ is, who he and Scripture reveal him to be. Many people in many different religions claim to follow God, but since they all define "God" differently, they are all following different gods.

In the same way one can say they follow Christ and are therefore a Christian, but if they define Christ in a way that is fundamentally different than historical Christianity, then they do not follow the Christ of Christianity.

I've repeatedly asked for a in-depth definition of "Christian" and not one of you malagubas has provided one. Why is that? Could it be because each of you can define to suit your own needs and interests?

What is wrong with the definition I posted? Too generic? Why?

Someone said it was important to define who exactly christ is. He was that character in the bible portrayed as the son of God. What more do you want? More?

Ok then, lay it out for us then. Get off your duffs and spell it all out for us here. Post your in-depth definitions of "Christian" here please.


(**Heretic lays a wager there will not be much of a consensus of the definition between those who profess to be what they are attempting to define.**)  8)

Apollos, How do you know when the mormon church started? Have you been to our church? Have you read The Book of Mormon? I have been member since I was 3. I have heard people say things about our everysince I have been a member. Not once did I doubt that this was the wrong church for me to be at. Can anyone honestly say that they have attend all the meetings of our church? Anyone! We do believe in the Bible (Kings James Version) We read out of that just as much as we read out of the Book of Mormon. And we don't consider The Book of Mormon our Bible. We consider it one of the many books out of the Bible. Im not trying to convert anyone. I just want to express my feeling on the subject. Every church is different. Every church has different people. I mean as long as we believe in Christ; I believe that is the most important thing. Lets not diss people who have a different beliefs. Also, Heretic I have no problem with your dif. of Christain. I actually think that is a very good dif. Im sorry if you thought I didn't.

Apollos, How do you know when the mormon church started? Have you been to our church? Have you read The Book of Mormon? I have been member since I was 3. I have heard people say things about our everysince I have been a member. Not once did I doubt that this was the wrong church for me to be at. Can anyone honestly say that they have attend all the meetings of our church? Anyone! We do believe in the Bible (Kings James Version) We read out of that just as much as we read out of the Book of Mormon. And we don't consider The Book of Mormon our Bible. We consider it one of the many books out of the Bible. Im not trying to convert anyone. I just want to express my feeling on the subject.

Since you have been a member since you were 3, then you should have been able to answer the simple questions I asked. Whether or not I have attended any Mormon meetings is irrelevant to my questions. I am capable enough to study the history of the Mormon church. And, yes, I have read some of the BoM, I have my own copy. Speaking of which, I have an interesting quote from the introduction:

"Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: 'I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."

I think you consider the BoM to be higher than the Bible; at least you should according to what Joseph Smith stated.

Every church is different. Every church has different people. I mean as long as we believe in Christ; I believe that is the most important thing. Lets not diss people who have a different beliefs.

Every church is different and has different people, but that does not mean that one can believe in a different Christ and still call themself a Christian. To be a Christian is to believe in very specific, fundamental doctrines about Christ and about God. These beliefs not only separate Christians from adherents of other religions, but from those who claim to be Christian while denying the very doctrines that make one a Christian.

Again, who Christ is must be defined before one says that they believe in him and are therefore a Christian.

Who do you say he is?

Harry, I have already done so in the previous thread, and my comments referred to content that went beyond the Trinity.

Can anyone really say who Christ is? I can't you exactly who He is. I can say that He is diffently a surpreme being. I can tell you he loves all of us. No matter what our believe is. Even if people don't believe in Him; he still loves them. He loves anyone. He died for our sins. He is feeled with love that we can't even imagin. I do know that with all of my heart and soul. I also know that our Church does not read the Book of Mormon above the bible. We read them equally. You can say all you want about my chuch, you can say that you know what we believe. But really you don't. You obviously haven't been to our church and attended all the meetings. No matter what anyone says about our Church, I will not falter. I believe in following my heart.

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I got nothing out of your 'layed out' definition johnny. All I get out of your, and others, posts is "You have to believe a set of creeds" or "You must believe all these doctrines" and NO ONE HAS YET TO LIST ANY ^^$)@$^* CREEDS OR DOCTRINES!

I want somebody to list what is required, creeds, doctrines or whatever, in your estimate to be properly labeled a "Christian". Lay them all out. Then we can go thru them one by one and since we have a participating member, and therefore more of an authority on the belief set than you, of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints we can get confirmation on whether they believe them or not. Plus we can see if any other forum member, established or new, agrees that a belief in a certain one is really required to be a christian or not.

At least that was my plan, I just don't understand why you or anyone else is so dang hesitant to list what the frick you claim is a required belief.
 

I am an ex-christian (of the Catholic flavor), now a Righteous Gentile, and I consider Mormons to be christians.
I'm also for legalized polygamy. It's permitted by my religion's Laws.
In fact, I am vocal about it.
For example, I sent away to CBN (and the 700 Club) and asked them to send me one of their "definition of marriage" stickers. You've seen them. They are red with white characters. The letters spell "Marriage", and the characters are an equals sign "=", a plus sign "+", and the international symbols for male and female, (which are most often seen on bathroom doors).
The sticker reads, "Marriage = (one) Man + (one) Moman."
Then I asked them to send another such sticker to my mother. I took both stickers to the local business service store, where there is a board cutter (a two-foot square board with a grid etched into the surface, and a cutting blade affixed to the side for making long, straight cuts), and a lamination machine.
And then I modified the stickers.

WHAT YOU NEED:
Two "Marriage stickers" [free from CBN]
A way to make straight cuts as long as the stickers are.
Access to an lamination machine and liminate.

WHAT TO DO:
1) I cut the bottom of both of the stickers off, the part that identifies CBN as the source of the sticker. (I did that so it wouldn't look like CBN sanctioned my modifications). Try to make sure both stickers are the same height top-to-bottom.
2) Take ONE sticker and cut between the "woman" symbol and the closest edge of the sticker, removing the margin or the sticker. The sticker should now still say, "Marriage = (one) Man + (one) Woman". Set the margin that you cut off aside.
3) Take the second sticker, and cut between the Male symbol and the "+" sign, with the right side reading, "+ (one) Woman." Set the rest (the left side) of that sticker aside with the margin you cut off of the first sticker.
4) place the "+ (one) Woman" section off the second sticker next to the end of the "Marriage = (one) Man + (one) Woman" sticker, lining up the two so that they are the same height.
5) Laminate the two sections together, to preserve the arrangement.
The finished product should now read,
"Marriage = (one) Man + (one) Woman + (one) Woman."
Or:
"Marriage = One Man = (two) Women."

I placed the finished product in the back window of my car. I get looks, smiles, and head shakes from those who even pay attention to bumper stickers on other people's cars.

6) Discard the cut-off sections. I did that by giving them to a gay fellow I know. I suggested that cut the Male symbol off of the longer section of sticker, and either
a) send away for another sticker, and cover the "(one) Woman" portion of that sticker with the "(one) Man" and piece of margin that I gave him, so that the result would be, "Marriage = (one) Man + (one) Man",  or
b) Find an unmodified sticker on someone else's car, and cover that sticker with the Male symbol and margin, making it appear that that car's driver approves of homosexual marriage.

Can anyone really say who Christ is? I can't you exactly who He is. I can say that He is diffently a surpreme being.

Sure we can say who Christ is, it's all in the Bible. Who does the LDS church say Christ is? Is he strictly a created being who became exalted to godhood? Or was he Yahweh of the Old Testament? Is he the product of sexual relations between another God and his celestial wife?

Or is Jesus God, always has been God, equal to the Father yet distinct from him?

If one really wants to know God and puts some effort into studying, which the Bible says we ought to do, the Bible answers all these questions.

I also know that our Church does not read the Book of Mormon above the bible. We read them equally. You can say all you want about my chuch, you can say that you know what we believe.

It doesn't really matter which one you read more, the point is that you consider the BoM to be greater than the Bible. I don't have to attend a single service to know this because I quoted directly from the BoM itself.

Then lay them out! What are these specific, fundamental doctrines? Post them all here for all of us to see!

I am curious as to why you are so anxious to hear from us on the definition of a Christian when kat cannot even say who Jesus is. However, I'll start with a few of the doctrines and whoever wants to can add onto them:

1. There is only one God.
2. Jesus is God Incarnate.
3. Jesus is not the Father.
4. Jesus physically/literally lived, was crucified and died, and rose again on the third day.

Now, I will admit that I may disagree with sntjohnny regarding belief in the Trinity for salvation, however, I do lean that way since it is implied by points 2 and 3 above.