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Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« on: November 26, 2008, 01:48:58 PM »

I'm pleased Fox News made mention of my book and name and showed them on my Philadelphia Church of God blog, having interviewed me as a former PCG member who was disfellowshipped for writing Beyond Babylon and who strongly disagrees with how Pastor General Gerald Flurry is squandering tithe money in Edmond, Oklahoma instead of going all out to share the plain truth of the Bible, our warning message, with the world in a powerful way that such money makes possible.

Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God

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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2008, 01:32:40 AM »

Gerald Flurry hypocritically rants and raves against yellow journalism, scandalous unsubstantiated allegations, "telling part of the truth can make the truth out to be a lie," and then turns right around and engages in all those "dangerously demented tactics" against the Branch Davidians and against David Ben-Ariel - little ol' me!


Gerald Flurry's Outrageous Attack Against David Ben-Ariel

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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2008, 11:03:53 AM »

Sue Gerald and Stephen Flurry?

Re: Gerald Flurry's Outrageous Attack Against David Ben-Ariel
Ever think of quitting while you are ahead? Assuming, of course, that you are.

What I should think about doing is SUING Gerald and Stephen Flurry, drama queens, for their "sleazy innuendo" that would paint me as a terrorist. And, in Oklahoma City to boot, of all places. Are they trying to get me killed to silence their most outspoken critic? (Even though I offer the PCG constructive criticism).

Is David Ben-Ariel A Terrorist?

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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2008, 02:59:35 PM »


Stephen Flurry's response to Judean Voice ad

It grieves me to report for the record, for the sake of the Church of God history, that too often politics has impeded the progress of the Work of God. The following is typical of the attitude I encountered when I shared my dreams for God's Church to reach out to Judah, informing them (the Philadelphia Church of God) of what I was doing:

Judean Voice Ad [The Judean Voice was a strong Jewish magazine read throughout New York City and Israel that taught the plain truth of the Torah as shared by former Israeli parliament member and rabbi, Meir Kahane]

Too bad the Church of God doesn't follow Mr. Armstrong's example and run FULL PAGE ADS in newspapers. If God's Church really wants to reach the general public they would run such ads that would generate attention and controversy. I'm doing what I can to reach "the cities of Judah" (Isa. 40:9) by blowing "the trumpet of Zion" and sounding "an alarm in [God's] holy mountain" (Joel 2:1), letting God's warning roar (Joel 3:16).

(Thursday, March 1, 2001)

Stephen Flurry promptly responded:

Too bad you don't follow Mr. Armstrong's example of submitting to God's government and growing within the body of His one true Church. Are you trying to say that by putting a FULL PAGE ad in the "Judean Voice," you are following in Mr. Armstrong's steps - that you are the one generating attention and controversy? Please.

My response:

Shalom Stephen,

What I said was I am DOING what I can to reach Judah with what I have, too bad God's Church didn't stop playing Church and only preaching to a converted audience and step out from behind the podium and GO TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. You've miserably failed to do that with all of your many resources.

Did Mr. Armstrong submit to those politicking in Sardis? [Church of God, Seventh Day] NO. Will I submit to the likes of Herr Leap who would have me obey men over God? Who would forbid me from doing all that I can for God? (Luke 9:50). NO. It's too bad the PCG [Philadelphia Church of God] has failed to apply MM (Malachi's Message) to themselves and quit looking to men to save them. It's too bad that too many have failed to learn that is IS following GOD'S GOVERNMENT when we refuse to obey men when it means disobeying God.

I've continued to grow, by God's grace, as a member of HIS Church (I wasn't baptized into any sect or denomination of men, remember?). I'm not a Catholic who thinks salvation is impossible outside of the Church hierarchy/religious establishment.

All that being said, I still feel that the PCG has more truth than any of the other splinter groups (like Mr. Armstrong felt about Sardis), but is not rich and in need of nothing (like some vainly imagine). That's why I still direct people and attention to the Philadelphia Trumpet [magazine] that many may glean what God will grant them. May God bless the PCG and every individual to continually grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ (not any man).

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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 07:54:30 PM »

For some reasons Mr. Armstrong and I don't get along.  There are better names... Jesus, James, Peter, Paul.. you know.. the first hearers of the truth... which fits into the word used.. "History".

Now why did I mention Jesus as the first hearers of truth?  Here is the thing... Jesus I will listen too.. Armstrong?? Well.. not too sure about him. 
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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 12:33:10 AM »

For some reasons Mr. Armstrong and I don't get along.  There are better names... Jesus, James, Peter, Paul.. you know.. the first hearers of the truth... which fits into the word used.. "History".

Now why did I mention Jesus as the first hearers of truth?  Here is the thing... Jesus I will listen too.. Armstrong?? Well.. not too sure about him. 

Why do you say you don't get along with Herbert W. Armstrong and then acknowledge you're not too sure about him? If you listen to Jesus, you would listen to Christ in Herbert W. Armstrong since He taught the same thing, unlike TRADITIONAL Churchianity.

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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 03:08:58 AM »

If you listen to Jesus, you would listen to Christ in Herbert W. Armstrong since He taught the same thing, unlike TRADITIONAL Churchianity.

Well... the problem with this thinking is that one can say "If you listen to Jesus, you would listen to Christ in "..." <-- some other person could fill in the name of their favorite teacher/pastor.

One example are those who follow John Calvin and the famous TULIP response to the five points of Arminian.  They would say that Christ in his teachings are better than those of HWA and would actually.. probably.. call HWA a heretic.. or maybe more kinder.. confused.
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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 11:38:15 PM »

I make sure Fox News  is useful!
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Re: Fox 25 Special Report on Philadelphia Church of God
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2009, 04:39:02 PM »

Fox news.. lol.

My spouse loves CNN...

And for her weather reports she will rely on another news channel.. hehe
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