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David Ben-Ariel

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It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« on: August 14, 2008, 10:14:26 AM »

We definitely should not ignore the race factor or even pretend it's possible or desirable. Some of us refuse to submit to the dumbing down replacement theology of the self-righteous politically correct cult that would advance every race at the White people's expense; that always "understands" how others want their kind in positions of power and clearly vote that way; how others want to preserve their heritage, but scream bloody murder whenever a White person dares to expose the hypocrisy, the double standards, the institutionalized reverse discrimination of quotas, "affirmative action," ad nauseum. The PC emperor has no clothes!

It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!

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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 11:13:02 AM »

What I find so encouraging today is that so many voters, especially young voters, seem less concerned with the race of a candidate than that candidate's qualifications for public office.  Barack Obama is clearly one of the most talented American politicians to emerge in recent history, but there are still those who are firmly convinced that he can be defeated on the basis of racial hatred and unreasoning prejudice.  David reminds us all that darkness is not just a property of skin cells.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 12:54:41 PM »

The jist of your post is to only look at someone's skin color and name in deciding what type of president they will be.

And, that to look beyond that is to sin???

Wow.

And you are actually going to try to stand on Scriptures with this position?  (I can only assume that as you didn't actually quote any Scriptures in your post.)

No, good sir, I am not aligned with your belief in any way, size, shape, or form.

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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 01:24:09 PM »

Wow, David-Ben, I'm really gonna have to strongly disagree with you on the segregation thing.  What we clearly need is stronger integration, and the Christian church is the way to do it.  I would agree with you that reverse racism is not the answer, though.  What we need to do is just stop thinking about peoples skin color.

Thats why it annoys me when people ask me "Would'nt it be cool to have a black president.?"  I don't care if the guys skin is the color of a tangerine.  I'm not gonna vote for the one of the most liberal politicians.  Besides, I don't think I could vote for a guy named b. hussein-osama given the state of the country right now, or maybe ever.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 02:06:47 PM »

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I'm not gonna vote for the one of the most liberal politicians.
To what, specifically, are you referring?
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 Besides, I don't think I could vote for a guy named b. hussein-osama given the state of the country right now, or maybe ever.
This really surprises and scares me.  My grandfather (from Germany) was named Adolf.  It would have been equally wrong to hold this against my grandfather as it is to hold Obama's name against him - especially since neither one had a say in the matter.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 02:41:44 PM »

Nor does anyone have a say in the color of their skin, their parents, their childhood home, or any number of other superficial factors that too many people seem to think are relevant to choosing a leader.  A sizable number of Americans will vote on the basis of such characteristics, and the news media make a big deal about how such factors influence voting.  I think that they make such a big deal that many Americans feel no shame in giving such shallow thinking as an excuse for their voting preferences.  It is scary, but it is also true that a large number of voters take their obligation seriously.  We can only hope that those are the voters--whether liberal, conservative, or neutral--who overwhelm the others.  I am hopeful that voters can get beyond the visceral reactions this time, but the drumbeat of smear has just begun.  Expect what you see here from David (a little less blatantly racist, I hope) to be served up many more times before November.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 03:01:37 PM »

The OT says that the Israelites had been a theocracy but cried out for a king.  They wanted Saul (who was a terrible king that ended up killing himself.) Why did they want him?  Because he was taller than anyone else.  When I read that I thought it was ridiculous and (when I was looking for loopholes) a reason to discount the Scriptures.  Who would be stupid enough to want a king based solely on his height?  Then my mom (who was totally ignorant of this passage and my feelings on it) told me that in the U.S., historically, the taller candidate wins the presidency.   Candidates have been known to stand on boxes at debates to appear the same height as their opponents.

I was amazed at that.  There really is nothing new under the sun. 

It really makes me wonder how many people honestly look at the candidate and the issues???
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 04:24:53 PM »

Reminds me of the "It's a sin to vote for Clinton" line.

Of course it's as misplaced with Obama as it was for Clinton. Not that voting itself holds some moral quality, but that the issues surrounding and motivating that vote do indeed hold moral qualities. Government, as the Bible describes it, has a very specific purpose to it. As such we must find leaders who will fulfill that very specific job description. As such the question becomes: What's the purpose of government?

Scripturally the purpose of government is very very specific purpose. It isn't to save us gas money, or help the poor, or stop terrorism and make sure our troops come home safe, frankly. The purpose of government is to uphold justice and godliness. Look up 1 Timothy 2:2, and Romans 13. No mention of economics or the lives of soldiers. For Christians this purpose should be the fore-front of our decision making to vote on the figurehead of this nation. God says this is the purpose of government then we elect leaders to fulfill the role as such. Will he uphold justice? All other considerations, including arbitrary physical ones (one of the best Presidents was in a wheelchair), fall away. This is not to say issues are not important (though some issues the government shouldn't even be involved with, but that the issue of justice takes precedence, especially for us Christians.

So is it a sin to vote for Obama? I think it is. Not for such mundane and arbitrary reasons as race or a man's name. I don't think Obama is anymore evil then every other fallen human being, or that it's an inherent sin for voting for him. The sin is in our priorities. If they don't align with God's priorities, it is indeed sinful.

Will Obama uphold justice? I don't think so. One can feel comfortable basing this on the issue of abortion: The killing of those who have commited no crime that warrants it is indeed unjust. Obama has made his stand clear, and has shown a very unBiblical attitude to the issue of pregnancy. If one can't uphold such a basic concept, while claiming to follow the Bible the whole way, then I have no confidence in Obama's ability as a leader who upholds justice. Leaders should lead, not pander to the crowd.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 08:34:05 PM »

"To what, specifically, are you referring?"

I was referring to b. hussein obama, one of the very most liberal senators.

"This really surprises and scares me.  My grandfather (from Germany) was named Adolf.  It would have been equally wrong to hold this against my grandfather as it is to hold Obama's name against him - especially since neither one had a say in the matter."

What I meant by that was I don't think I would vote for someone who has a muslim background, given the war we are fighting now against the islamo fascists.  About the Adolf thing, I wouldn't care if someone's heritage was german, because germany is part of the christianized west that america was built upon.  But in the name thing I was only half-serious.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 08:36:53 PM »

"Expect what you see here from David (a little less blatantly racist, I hope) to be served up many more times before November."

What I said wasn't rascist at all, so you can step off.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 09:13:43 PM »

Incidentally, what Cop has just demonstrated we can all expect to see more of.  The 'If you don't vote for the half black guy, you are a racist.' bit.

I mean there was clearly nothing racist at all in my post.  Yet somehow Cop has the chutzpah to imply what I said was racist.

  How do you know I'm not black Cop?  Think black people can't speak with diction and hold a conservative opinion?  Eh?  Think the blacks need whitey neo-pagans with a fashionable compassion for 'those poor underprivileged negroes' to provide them with an abortion clinic in every neighborhood and a monthly check from the government?  Don't think they can make it without 'help' from you, huh?  Or perhaps you don't want them to succeed so you destroy them with handouts, abortion on demand, and an inferior popular culture spewing from liberal radio, television, and print stations?

Personally, I think it's the latter, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.    :wink:
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 09:46:11 PM »

David, sorry for the confusion.  Note that "David Ben-Ariel" is the author of the OP and the "David" that I was referring to.  Not you.  In the future, I shall refer to him as "David-Ben" so as not to create confusion with you.
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 09:57:23 PM »

Good idea.  I do suspect that you like to rile me up, though. :wink:
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2008, 09:53:16 AM »

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Scripturally the purpose of government is very very specific purpose. It isn't to save us gas money, or help the poor, or stop terrorism and make sure our troops come home safe, frankly. The purpose of government is to uphold justice and godliness. Look up 1 Timothy 2:2, and Romans 13. No mention of economics or the lives of soldiers.
I looked up both passages you cite.  Both deal with our duty as Christians
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
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Romans 13 is an admonishment to believers to submit to leadership (regardless of the leaders actions) because all leaders are God
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2008, 12:13:06 PM »

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Scripturally the purpose of government is very very specific purpose. It isn't to save us gas money, or help the poor, or stop terrorism and make sure our troops come home safe, frankly. The purpose of government is to uphold justice and godliness. Look up 1 Timothy 2:2, and Romans 13. No mention of economics or the lives of soldiers.
I looked up both passages you cite.  Both deal with our duty as Christians
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2008, 12:35:50 PM »

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Possibly other passages might establish other functions of the government but it is not right to say that just because this passage is applied towards believers that it doesn't contain a positive principle for God's plan for government.
Agree and I stand corrected.  At the same time, it also doesn
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2008, 01:36:27 PM »

"At the same time, we cannot cherry pick which citizens we will concern ourselves with
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2008, 01:53:51 PM »

Agree completely.  What happened to the Tutsi
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Re: It's A Sin To Vote For Obama!
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2008, 02:14:23 PM »

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The first sentence is that we may pray for those in government that are in authority to run the nation. Why need we pray for kings, or presidents, or congressmen? We pray so that they may do what God wants them to do, and that is for the government to provide it's citizens with "peace and quiet" so that we can live in "goliness and holiness".
Or, we pray so that we can keep our focus on love instead of all this other gobbly-gook.  I
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