Topic: Way to go, West Virginia! (Read 3696 times)

David Ben-Ariel · « **on:** May 14, 2008, 11:34:31 PM »

Way to go, West Virginia!

It's good to see that West Virginia has the common sense to reject the media's manipulation, to spurn the elitists' choice for president that is dead wrong for America.

Let these United States of America (Artzot Habrit - "Lands of the Covenant" in Hebrew), the biblical inheritance of Manasseh the son of Joseph, know and understand why the Bible bans Barack Hussein Obama from being our president:

Deuteronomy 17
15 ...you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother.

If the United States foolishly elects a non-Israelite, a foreign Gentile, treacherously going against our history and purpose, he will be an illegitimate president (Hosea 8:4), contrary to the Word and Will of God.

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Dannyboy · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2008, 03:10:15 AM »

i may regret asking this question, but in what way are Hillary Clinton and John McCain Israelites? i ask because you object to Obama on the grounds that he isn't one (on that we can both agree), so presumably you believe that the other two candidates are.

Wikipedia lists Clinton as being of English, Scottish, French Canadian, and Welsh descent, and McCain as being of Scots-Irish and English ancestry. Middle-Eastern forefathers are not mentioned for some reason.

Care to explain?

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #2 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:22:41 PM »

Speaking of WV, I visited Lost World Caverns in Lewisburg, West Virginia last week and they're awesome.

Lost World Caverns glorifies our Creator

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #3 on:** May 17, 2008, 10:27:30 PM »

Quote from: Dannyboy on May 15, 2008, 03:10:15 AM

i may regret asking this question, but in what way are Hillary Clinton and John McCain Israelites?

Why would you regret better understanding, even if not necessarily agreeing, why a growing number of folks believe that the British and NW European white peoples are of Israelite origin, that we have Hebrew roots?

According to the Bible ten out of the twelve tribes of Israel split away (1 Kings 12:19), formed their own kingdom of "Israel" (1 Kings 12:20) and were exiled by the Assyrians (2 Kings 17:18). They forget their identity (Hosea 1:9, 7:8; Isaiah 49:21) and became the Lost Ten Tribes. In the future they will re-unite with the Jews (Ezekiel 37; Isaiah 11:13; Jeremiah 3:18) of "Judah", but until then they have a role of their own to fulfill. They were destined to be situated at the continental extremities of the earth such as North America, the British Isles, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa (Deuteronomy 33:13; Isaiah 24:16, 26:15, 41:8-9, 49:6), to be the richest (Genesis 27:28, 49:25; Deuteronomy 33:13-16; Hosea 2:8), and most powerful (Numbers 24:8-7; Micah 5:7-9) nations on earth and to control major international strategic bases (Genesis 22:16-17, 24:60). All of these points together with numerous others show that descendants of the Lost Ten Tribes can only be found amongst Western Nations, especially the English-speaking ones.

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Dannyboy · « **Reply #4 on:** May 25, 2008, 09:06:14 AM »

David,

If this is true then it should be fairly easy to verify. Preliminary results from the Genographic Project (currently underway) should already be confirming it. Other, non-biblical accounts of human migrations would have to be explained (like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Human_mtDNA_migration.png#file ).

Is there any non-biblical evidence that this is true?

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:04:15 PM »

Quote from: Dannyboy on May 25, 2008, 09:06:14 AM

David,

If this is true then it should be fairly easy to verify. Preliminary results from the Genographic Project (currently underway) should already be confirming it. Other, non-biblical accounts of human migrations would have to be explained (like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Human_mtDNA_migration.png#file ).

Is there any non-biblical evidence that this is true?

Plenty. Brit Am offers it, among others. Haven't you ever heard the Scots know our Israelite origin?

Dannyboy · « **Reply #6 on:** May 28, 2008, 02:09:58 PM »

Having attempted to wade through the Brit-Am 'secular proofs', let me ask you another question. Granted (for the sake of argument - some of the evidence seems speculative at best) that it is the case that Western Europeans migrated from the area of Israel, why do you assume that Obama is any less Israelite than Hillary or McCain? He has, after all, an African father and a white/western mother. He could be as much as 50% Israelite. Now unless you're suggesting that the lost tribes completely displaced the native populations of western europe with no mixing whatsoever, then neither of the other candidates are likely to be 100% Israelite, and could in fact be any percentage right down to 0%.

Obama might be the most Israelite guy you're going to get this year. Any reason you particularly think he isn't?

Copernicus · « **Reply #7 on:** May 28, 2008, 07:59:28 PM »

Oh, and let's not forget that Jewish ethnicity passes down through the female line, not the male. My wife's father was Jewish, but her mother (although of pure Jewish descent) happened to be born into a family of apostates who claimed to have converted to Episcopalianism (although never actually attending that church's services). So, basically, she is not Jewish. She did not get to take Jewish school holidays off while growing up in New York (although, to the puzzlement of her teachers and classmates, she had a Jewish surname). She does not qualify for Israeli citizenship. I would call her a shiksa, but I think that I would need to be Jewish in order to qualify her as such.

Now it should be remembered that Obama's claim to Judaism must at least descend through his mother's line, and she was the white parent. That should be a comfort to our racially sensitive friend, David. I am, of course, relieved to learn that my white parentage entitles me to full rights as a Jew. That must mean that my wife really is a shiksa.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #8 on:** May 28, 2008, 08:42:27 PM »

The right to be called a 'pure' Jew passes through the mother, but in terms of genes I don't think it matters.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the lost tribes of Israel turn up at some point. There have been some interesting claims. The problem I have with the proof text provided from Duet is that the prophet in question seems highly unlikely to be referencing an American president. Christians say a 'prophet like Moses' is Jesus.

The biggest problem I see in trying to track the missing tribes concerns the assumption that somehow they would still be intact, somewhere, ready to be discovered. The presence of Jewish communities throughout the region shows that many did retain their identities- indeed, they retained them to the present day- but there would still have been a heck of a lot of assimilation, too.

It might be an interesting historical fact to throw to my two secular atheistic friends posting on this thread that the promised one was said to come from the line of Judah as far back as the book of Genesis, which I hope no one disputes was around for a long, long time before the dispersions began (quibble with me over Isaiah, but please, dear gawd, not Genesis). Quite the coinky-dink that of all the tribes of Israel to be dispersed, only Judah and Benjamin were dispersed in such a manner that they could return to their homeland as cogent whole, preserving the possibility that the messiah could yet arise.

Sure, ok, the odds are 1 out of 12, I reckon, but really however you slice it, is it really just plain luck all around that Sennecharib turned around in 722 BC?

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2008, 11:55:33 PM »

Quote from: Dannyboy on May 28, 2008, 02:09:58 PM

why do you assume that Obama is any less Israelite than Hillary or McCain? He has, after all, an African father and a white/western mother. He could be as much as 50% Israelite.

Biblical ethnic descent is counted from the father, and Hussein appears to be a Gentile in attitude and ethnicity.

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2008, 11:57:28 PM »

Quote from: Copernicus on May 28, 2008, 07:59:28 PM

Oh, and let's not forget that Jewish ethnicity passes down through the female line, not the male.

You're incorrect. The religion of Judaism goes by the mother, the tribal/ethnic distinction goes by the father's line.

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2008, 12:06:46 AM »

Quote from: sntjohnny on May 28, 2008, 08:42:27 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the lost tribes of Israel turn up at some point

The Israelite origins of the West, our Hebrew roots, is already known.

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The problem I have with the proof text provided from Duet is that the prophet in question seems highly unlikely to be referencing an American president.

I didn't make any reference to a prophet - that's another Scripture that refers to Yeshua (although the mad Muslims think it refers to their false prophet). What I did was apply the PRINCIPLE of the law in Deuteronomy - that only one of our own kind, our own family - is to be considered for the highest office in our land.

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The biggest problem I see in trying to track the missing tribes concerns the assumption that somehow they would still be intact, somewhere, ready to be discovered.

The prophecies reveal them as such.

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The presence of Jewish communities throughout the region shows that many did retain their identities

Jews are not to be confused with the "Lost Ten Tribes." There are Jews (from Judah) and Joes (from Joseph - leader of the Northern 10-tribed Kingdom of Israel). The Jews were foretold to retain their identity, generally speaking, but the Israelites were foretold to become Gentilized and be considered lost until this end of the age when their identity would again be restored, even as Joseph's identity was revealed to his brethren.

Dannyboy · « **Reply #12 on:** May 29, 2008, 01:25:14 PM »

Biblical ethnic descent is counted from the father, and Hussein appears to be a Gentile in attitude and ethnicity.

So if he were half-Kenyan on his mother's side you'd have no problem with him? Somehow i doubt that your attitude would change significantly.

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2008, 09:28:55 AM »

Quote from: Dannyboy on May 29, 2008, 01:25:14 PM

Biblical ethnic descent is counted from the father, and Hussein appears to be a Gentile in attitude and ethnicity.

So if he were half-Kenyan on his mother's side you'd have no problem with him?

What did I say? BO appears to be a Gentile in attitude and ethnicity. I don't like his black liberation theology, his socialism, his deception. He's not fit to rule on many counts.

Dannyboy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2008, 12:06:36 PM »

What did I say?

You said that the Bible bans Barak Obama from being president for reasons of his non-Israelite descent. Investigated more closely you appear to have no objective reasons for believing that Obama is any less an 'israelite' than either of the other two challengers, so now you fall back on not liking his attitude and theology. You have every right to express your likes and dislikes on the matter, but you claimed a biblical justification which seems to me to be without solid foundation.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2008, 09:27:41 PM »

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What I did was apply the PRINCIPLE of the law in Deuteronomy - that only one of our own kind, our own family - is to be considered for the highest office in our land.

I'm pretty sure you can't get that principle from that passage. I don't even think you can get it at a stretch.

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #16 on:** June 03, 2008, 12:14:48 AM »

Quote from: Dannyboy on May 30, 2008, 12:06:36 PM

What did I say?

You said that the Bible bans Barak Obama from being president for reasons of his non-Israelite descent.

As I state in Does President Barack Obama sound good to you? -

Even if Senator Obama were qualified to be president, which he clearly is not, Barack Hussein Obama is not one from our White Israelite brethren that Scripture calls for in electing our leaders:

Deuteronomy 17
15 ...you shall surely set a king over you whom the LORD your God chooses; one from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not set a foreigner over you, who is not your brother.

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Investigated more closely you appear to have no objective reasons for believing that Obama is any less an 'israelite' than either of the other two challengers

Are you debating with yourself? I've proven he's Gentile from his father's side and clearly isn't close to being an Israelite like the other challengers are. Do you have a problem with him being a Gentile? I don't - except for his vying for an office he doesn't belong in within an Israelite country.

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so now you fall back on not liking his attitude and theology

I'm not falling back on anything, but you're playing games by ignoring my statements are on public record for saying he's not qualified for office because he's a Gentile in attitude and ethnicity.

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You have every right to express your likes and dislikes on the matter, but you claimed a biblical justification which seems to me to be without solid foundation.

And you have every right to express your rejection of the biblical justification to keep Hussein out of office in an Israelite country.

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #17 on:** June 03, 2008, 12:18:21 AM »

Quote from: sntjohnny on May 30, 2008, 09:27:41 PM

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What I did was apply the PRINCIPLE of the law in Deuteronomy - that only one of our own kind, our own family - is to be considered for the highest office in our land.

I'm pretty sure you can't get that principle from that passage. I don't even think you can get it at a stretch.

I don't know what else you think it's talking about. What I've said about that scripture is the plain truth - at least to those who don't have a problem with it.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2008, 02:09:45 PM »

"I don't know what else you think it's talking about. What I've said about that scripture is the plain truth - at least to those who don't have a problem with it."

It could be talking about a future, promised Messiah. It could be saying that this person will be like Moses.

Are you a Christian? I don't know if I've read enough of your stuff to find out for sure.

David Ben-Ariel · « **Reply #19 on:** June 04, 2008, 11:45:26 AM »

Quote from: sntjohnny on June 03, 2008, 02:09:45 PM

"I don't know what else you think it's talking about. What I've said about that scripture is the plain truth - at least to those who don't have a problem with it."

It could be talking about a future, promised Messiah. It could be saying that this person will be like Moses.

No, because we don't elect the Messiah, God does - that why the Messiah is anointed by God, not man. There is another Scripture that foretold the Prophet/Messiah (Yeshua) would be like Moses.

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Are you a Christian? I don't know if I've read enough of your stuff to find out for sure.

Yes, I'm a biblical or "Orthodox" Christian (keeping the same biblical Sabbath, festivals, dietary laws and beliefs as the early Church of God before the apostasy).

Author Topic: Way to go, West Virginia! (Read 3696 times)