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« on: November 09, 2005, 08:44:40 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2005, 08:21:46 PM »

Hi, FUSSCCJ.  I'm always interested in Spain, as it is one of my favorite countries.  Do you not mean 'Gallego', as opposed to 'Giego'?  Gallego strikes me as being close to Portuguese.  It is too bad that Gallegans have lost the celtic language that immigrants from Roman Britain brought there after fleeing the Saxon invaders.  Nevertheless, they still maintain ties with French Brittany, which was another destination of fleeing celtic speakers.  

Do you see the linguistic pluralism as a problem?   It is certainly not the case that most Basques who support their language also support terrorism.  And there are plenty of examples of countries with linguistic pluralism that are relatively peaceful.  Belgium has a contentious division between Flemish (Dutch) and Waloon (French) speakers, but it has managed to go for decades now without too much trouble.  Switzerland has four official languages, and it is one of the peaceful countries in Europe.  It seems to me that the best policy for Spain is to give even more cultural autonomy to local regions if it is to avoid even worse disturbances in the future.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2005, 10:53:55 AM »

Yeah, I had a spelling mistake  #-o .  I don
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2005, 04:35:07 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2005, 08:03:03 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2005, 04:37:37 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2005, 08:54:12 PM »

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Another form of the problem is that when Catalu
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2005, 05:09:13 AM »

Do you think the Spainish government can do something that will lead to those in Catalu
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2005, 10:21:27 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2005, 11:21:30 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2005, 11:29:48 AM »

My first experience of Spain was in 1970, and my wife and I have returned there many times since then.  I have watched Spain change over the years as it has climbed out of Franco's shadow.  So I can appreciate what you are saying.
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2005, 04:39:29 AM »

As I was in Barcelona this past weekend (btw, GO BAR
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2005, 12:21:27 AM »

My impression of the Basque region in Spain is that I didn't like it much.  Too industrialized.  (The French Basque country is much nicer, although the Basque towns in the Pyrenees are worth the visit.)  But I haven't been there in many years.  The last time that I was in Barcelona was 1974, and I remember the Franco regime well.  The guardia was an armed camp, and they weren't very pleasant to anyone, tourists included.  I do have good memories of Gaudi's cathedral and park.  Quite an amazing architect.  Regarding much of the rest of Spain, I only have good memories.

On my first visit to Seville, I had a terrible experience. Our car was burglarized, and we had a terrible time getting it repaired.  But that was just after Franco's death.  Since then, I can only say that things have improved vastly.  I can now say that Seville is one of my favorite cities.  We always stay in a hotel with a view of the Alhambra.  And our generous hosts always treat us to a night of the finest tapas, before a gut-busting delicious dinner.

I am hoping to get a business trip to Seville at the end of March.  That is when the orange blossoms will be in bloom.  Andalucia may be poorer than other areas of Spain, but it is a fascinating country.  (We have toured the pueblos blancos.)  My only hope is that we don't get stuck there during semana santa again.  Interesting--all those Ku Klux Klan outfits--but very difficult for tourists to find a hotel.  ;-)   Just the same, we won't pass up another visit if we get the chance.
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2005, 05:09:08 AM »

You gotta love Andalucia, it
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2005, 09:52:20 AM »

Oh, did you mean Granada?  (That
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2005, 11:24:43 AM »

No.  Stupid mistake.  I've visited the Alhambra, too.  I meant La Giralda.  The host organization always books us rooms in a hotel that faces it.  We love the view, but the hotel itself can be quite noise when the streetcleaners come out at 4 am in the morning to clean the square.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2005, 01:24:08 PM »

Gotta love the Spanish street cleaners (always working in the wee hours of the morning, it seems).  I haven
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2005, 02:56:48 PM »

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And speaking of something else, there was quite a fuss last week when a few Spanish newspapers accused the CIA of using Spanish airports for transporting terror suspects that were possibly tortured.  The Spanish government is investigating...


I'm glad that they are.  The American press has become too tame and cozy with politicians lately to investigate such things seriously.  The government itself is very coy about what constitutes torture, and they won't comment on the foreign bases.  After some initial outrage and concern, our lazy press is waiting for new stories to come out before reporting anything.  They don't seem to be up for doing their own investigating anymore.

There is a low-level scandal over the embarrassment of Americans having tortured prisoners, but I think that the majority of Americans believe that those being tortured probably had it coming to them.  So there is a lot of ambivalence over whether it should be legal to torture people, whether they have the right not to be tortured, and just how painful and degrading the treatment has to be before it meets a legal definition of "torture".  Our avuncular Vice President seems to be leading the charge on this issue, and the press is trying hard to make it look like he has a serious point.  The scandal stinks so bad that the Congress is working on anti-torture legislation that the administration is threatening to veto.

This is all very embarrassing for Bush, who looks perpetually like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar lately.  He just shrugs and says "We do not torture."  What he really means is "What we do to prisoners is not what we would define as legal torture."
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