I'd rather see purpose....makes life much more meaningful..ya know?

That's the attitude I wish to avoid, myself. "I'd rather see purpose..." or on the flip side, "I'd rather NOT see purpose." Those attitudes will bias a person's examination of the evidence--you have an inclination toward a certain side already.

It's kind of like my English teacher, who once said she believed the Creation myth because she would rather that be true than the theory that humanity evolved from apes. She admitted that she hadn't looked into it that deeply.

Myself, I wonder whether or not there is a purpose, but it doesn't particularly worry me either way. If there is a meaning, I'll go with it. If there is no meaning, then I'll make one on my own: to live life to its fullest and ensure that others can do the same. There's no problem for me, there.

However, if I was of the mindset that if life had a purpose, it'd make it more meaningful, so I'd rather see purpose than none, I'd fall into the trap of biasing myself: I want it to come out a certain way, so I'll read the evidence hoping to see a certain thing, and that will affect my judgment. I don't want that to happen.

Why die?  When anybody ever ask me the question "Since you don't believe there being an afterlife, what is the point in living?" and my reply is usually question or "There is no purpose in dying".  Just my philosophy though.

I'm thinking about going into psycology. (note: spelling my be incorrect) When I want to I can change the directions of peoples thoughts in a good way.

I only publicly attack christianity once a year.  I think I am going to call it My Day of Truth holiday.

God provided us with free will, so your purpose in life is different from my purpose in life.

How does this follow, ULTRON?

Anyways, my OP offers nothing but LIFE.. even in death.. and does not suggest a fairy-tale or crutch.. but a reality that always gives hope.  Athiesm offers me nothing..

And yet, God has no deity.  He has no purpose.  Nevertheless, he goes on.  So why do we need a "purpose" to justify our existence?  Ultimately, it makes no sense.  If there is any purpose to life, it is self-evidently to survive and enjoy, not to be caught up in the trap of trying to satisfy the whims of an imaginary superbeing.  To me, that is finding satisfaction in slavery and submission to what you hope is a benevolent master.

The rest of your post fits into the "so what" above.  Like I said... your worldview, athiesm, offers me NOTHING.

The very idea that you are asking what it offers suggests that you value wishful thinking over accuracy.  By those standards, yes, atheism has less to offer.  If you value accuracy over wishful thinking, then theism has less to offer.

Yup...hmmm.

Just read the responses.  I wanted to let ya both know that I will respond soon.  Way toooooo tired tonight. 

Be well.  :)

My worldview doesn't demand that God have no creator, but yours does.  I simply point out that your god doesn't need such a being by your lights.  He just exists.  If so, what is wrong with us not having a creator?

First sentence... the usual argument of past athiests/skeptics is, "who created God"???  We've never had to argue that idea within ourselves.  Call it revelation or something like that.  :)

First sentence... Your worldview simply deny's without enough reason (as far as I've seen so far) that a "god" exists.  I would suggest that you are more an agnostic than a "strong" athiest?  But that is just my thinking.

What is wrong with you not having a creator??  Perhaps denial is the word?  Are you satisfied enough will all the data to actually suggest to you that a "god" doesn't exist?  And is not being able to define this "god" give you the right to eventually write-off that no "god" exists?  "I believe in one god less than you" just does not hold water with me.  Sounds more like an excuse.  But that is just me.

But it does make sense to me that your god has no purpose, just as it makes sense that we have no purpose other than making the best that we can of our lives.

Thus the reason for this thread.  I realize that there are inconsistencies with athiesm just as there might be with thiesm.

And, pray tell, what drives you as a strong athiest to make the best of your life?  You are beginning to sound religious..haha (no offense).. heck, my platform as a "universalist" predicts that all will sound religious in some way.  Call it the "G/god vacuum" if you will.

  OK.  But I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in your worldview.  Why should we need to depend on a god, if it is logical for there to be any being that needs no god.

I previously noted that there are inconsistencies in both worldviews.  So what?  Neither world-view will explain things perfectly since neither world-view has all the facts.  IF even we did, who could rightly interpret them??  It is logical that we all need something... to survive. 

What is heaven if not the wish to fulfill your own selfish yearnings?  Your religion makes you no better than those who do not miss the lack of one.

Your point is moot at this point and needs no response.  You would not make this comment if you understood the "Christian" doctrine.

 There are better things to do with your life if you don't have an eternity to look forward to.  Enjoy it while you have it.

I'm not sure if this a self-serving comment?  Doe's it contradict other athiestic ideas?  What if your view conflics with others?  What if anothers self-serving belief conflicts with yours?  What do you do then?  What if this other persons self-serving belief threatens your survival?  Pray tell, what then?  Are you gonna lay down your life for your belief structure? 

Let me tell you about the "son of man"  who layed down his life...haha

The point is subtle.

So what?  You're the one who asked about the purpose of life.  Don't worry about it.  It doesn't need to have a purpose other than life itself.

LOL.  Don't get upset now.  I see your view... and you already know that there is conflict between views.  When I said that athiesm offers me nothing.. I meant it offers me nothing.  I did not mean this in a mean or cruel way.  Christianity, understood in it's real original meaning, says that death brings life... and there is much meaning... not a looking forward to crowns and buffet's in the sky.  Jesus saw the fruit of his death.. that is part of the reason of my post... that there is much more for athiests to think about. 

Is death a meaningless thing to you?









Yes, Creator does exist.  Somehow things exist for a "reason".