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Creation Sequence
« on: May 03, 2009, 08:31:57 PM »
Creation Sequence

            The first creation that came from God is space or inert energy. Akasa (space) and Tejas (inert energy) are one and the same because space is a form of inert energy only. Matter, work, light, heat, sound, electricity, magnetism and awareness are also other forms of inert energy. Our imagination cannot cross the limits of space. The link or process of production between God and space is also unimaginable like God. This link is beyond space and God is beyond this link. The space is called as Mahat. The link is called as Avyaktam which means unimaginable. The Parabrahman is mentioned as purusha. The Veda says that Avyaktam is beyond space and purusha is beyond Avyaktam (Mahatah paramavyaktam avyaktat purushah parah).
 
            God is first. Space is second. Air is third. We can explain the generation of third from second, but not the second from first. Second and third are imaginable items. Space or energy became air. Air means atoms. This is energy condensing into matter. This process of condensation is explicable and debatable. This process is parinama or vivarta. If matter is different from energy only by quantitative way it is vivarta like water condensed to ice. Vivarta brings only physical difference. The parinama is qualitative difference like milk becoming curd. Before the creation of matter, only energy exists. If energy is condensed, it should be vivarta process only, which is physical. But if all the mater is energy only, how the qualitative difference came between items of matter? There cannot be qualitative difference between blocks of ice having various sizes. One block of ice may be more concentrated (or condensed) but it cannot bring a qualitative difference. But the qualitative difference between the milk and curd is practically experienced in the world. Milk and curd are also condensed products of same energy and may have quantitative difference. Thus this point of contradiction brings the unimaginability, which is the characteristic of God. Therefore, the presence of the unimaginable power of God (Maya) is everywhere in the world. The Gita says that this Prakruti is also Maya (Mayam tu prakrutim). Thus the entire world is affected by the hidden power of God (Maya), which is known by deep analysis.
 
            When the energy and work are essentially same, the different quantities of energy-drops (electrons) giving rise to different properties mean different works of God giving rise to different properties.  Here the wonder is that the working material and work are one and the same in essence. Therefore, the unimaginable God does wonderful works and His work it self is the working material.  The work is power of God, which it self is the working material.  All this creation is work without any separate working material because the working material itself is a form of work.  According to science also, any material (matter) is a form of energy and work is also a form of the same energy.  Thus, this wonder exists in science, which says that matter is a condensed form energy.  For the process of condensation, space is required and the space should be different from energy for the process of condensation to take place.  But space is a form of energy as per the special theory of relativity.  In such case, how the energy is condensed? Because, space is also energy.  This is another wonder.  Like this, when this nature (Prakruti) is analyzed, it is a wonder (Maya) only as said in Gita (Mayam tu..). Thus, Maya becomes the inner substratum of the world.  God is the substratum of Maya         (Mayinam tu
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 10:25:06 AM »
God is first. Space is second. Air is third.

This sounds like the old Abbot and Costello routine.  Nice peaceful and funny thought!
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 10:05:12 PM »
Quote from: jfoxton on May 07, 2009, 10:25:06 AM
God is first. Space is second. Air is third.

This sounds like the old Abbot and Costello routine.  Nice peaceful and funny thought!


Thanks

The aim of the creation is the entertainment of the Lord. When you are seeing a cinema, you will be bored if the entire cinema shows only inert bodies and inert changes and interactions between them. The inert and living are required for the complete entertainment. A cinema must contain all types of inert items like stars, hills, rivers etc., and also all types of living beings like plants, birds, animals, human beings, ghosts, angels etc. When you take meals in a feast the variety of the items shows the dignity of the feast. You feel happy with many different items in the feast. Therefore, the main or special work or function of any item in the creation including life is only the entertainment of the God. The speciality in the work and function of life is that it is differentiated from all other items, which include robot also.

The robot contains the chips introduced by the scientist. The human being contains the strongest concepts of various chips that are accompanying the soul for the past millions of births. The electricity in the robot is the life energy in the human being and is called as casual body or soul. The chips introduced in robot constitute the subtle body of the human being. The information is stored in the subtle body, which is the life energy existing in the form of pulses.

 If the pulses are lost, only life energy remains, which is called as the soul or casual body. Since the information itself is the bundle of pulses, certainly the substrate for the information will be the soul only. The information itself is the subtle body. The external metallic structure of robot is the gross body of the human being. In both robot and human being several microprocessors can simultaneously work so that both simultaneously grasp the various characteristics of an object. When the chip is removed from the robot, it is the death of the human being. The chip of the human being leaves the gross body and enters a similar energetic body.

The chip works with the electricity in the energetic body also. Thus, a special technology exists in the case of a human being, which is not caught by the scientist. Robot resembles human being in all the aspects but certain other aspects, which are termed, as special technology is additional with the human being. When Lord Jesus raised the dead body, He ordered the chip along with its power to enter the same gross body. When it was done the energetic body vanished in the space by dissipation. This technology is in the hands of the Lord and not in the hands of the scientist. He also ordered a tree to die on the spot and the tree died. The life left the tree based on His order.

The discussion about the life and how the creation took place is not very important because the main aim of the whole spiritual field is to please the Lord. Such topics like life and process of creation are in the interest of Science only, which aims only at the materialistic benefits of the human beings. Therefore, the interest of spirituality is different from the interest of Science. We give the explanation of the creation but finally we have no interest in our own explanation. It is only in the interest of Science in which, we are not much interested.
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 10:41:18 AM »
Dat -
It concerns me that you would attribute "entertainment" as a noble characteristic of a holy God!  That He is glorified and pleased with the creation (and it was good) does not suggest to me the human thing called entertainment.  Your god, their god, is not the God of the Bible as far as I can tell.
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Oneness of God of different religions
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 08:02:18 PM »
Quote from: jfoxton on May 10, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Dat -
It concerns me that you would attribute "entertainment" as a noble characteristic of a holy God!  That He is glorified and pleased with the creation (and it was good) does not suggest to me the human thing called entertainment.  Your god, their god, is not the God of the Bible as far as I can tell.



Every religion says that its God created the entire earth and entire humanity. But, unfortunately there is only one earth containing this humanity. Due to one earth, there must be one God only and hence all the religions are calling the same God by different names. Since the God is unimaginable and nobody can even imagine Him, all the names are indicating that unseen and unimaginable God only.  This unimaginable God is mediated by energy.  Such mediated God is also one and the same because energy is also one and the same for all religions.  This mediated God is called as Brahman by Hinduism, Jehovah by Christianity and Allah by Islam. The absolute unimaginable God as well as the medium [Energy] are one and the same and hence there is no difference between these three names.

  Of course, when the absolute God gets mediated by human bodies, there may be minute difference in the form, culture and language of the external human form as in the case of Krishna of Hinduism, Jesus of Christianity and Mohammad of Islam.  Even here the material of the human body is one and the same except slight variation in the external form.  From the point of absolute God, here also there is no trace of difference and hence all these three human forms are also one and the same.
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 01:50:53 PM »
Dat -The attributes of the "Gods" of the three religions (Hindu, Christian & Islam) you referenced differ significantly - your attempt to ignore the differences to achieve peace between the religions or to bring others into your religion (because it would be superior - seeing what other had not) are not intellectually honest.  You like to side step the issues that are brought before you with a lot of verbage that seems not to directly address the issue.  I want to know where Dat is at!  How did you come about embracing this religion?
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Only one God created this world
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 07:31:22 PM »
Quote from: jfoxton on May 13, 2009, 01:50:53 PM
Dat -The attributes of the "Gods" of the three religions (Hindu, Christian & Islam) you referenced differ significantly - your attempt to ignore the differences to achieve peace between the religions or to bring others into your religion (because it would be superior - seeing what other had not) are not intellectually honest.  You like to side step the issues that are brought before you with a lot of verbage that seems not to directly address the issue.  I want to know where Dat is at!  How did you come about embracing this religion?




Hindus say that Brahman is the creator, Muslims say
That Allah is creator, Christians say that the creator is
Jehovah, all say that the creation is this entire world.
If Hindus say that Brahman created India, and if
Muslims say that Allah created Arabian countries and
If Christians say that Jehovah created the western countries,
The problem is solved, there can be three Gods together,
Who have created the three parts of the earth separately.


But this is not so, each religion says that their God only
Created the entire world, unfortunately there is one world!
One world only! Come on, all of you sit together here
And give me the final conclusion after debate, otherwise,
The scientists are laughing on all of you! Shame to all!
They criticize that these religions do not have even
The basic logic, which is the fundamental common sense.
Because of you, the greatest God is also mocked by them
They say that the religions are rigid conservatisms!
Even a small boy is putting this question to all of you.


Stop all your discourses and first answer this question.
If you want to say that God created the entire world,
You have to accept that there is one God only always
And that His names are all the above three names.
We see in the world a single person having three names.
If there is one God, He only created this entire world.
All the human beings are invariably His children only.
No Father is partial to a single child and therefore
He must have preached the same knowledge to all
In different languages and in different methodologies
To different levels, this is Universal Spirituality.
www.universal-spirituality.org
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 03:31:25 PM »
Dat -
OR - their is only one true God and only one true religion!!  I respect science but I do not worship it.  The empirical scientists should study what can be proven, the theoretical scientists theorize why what is, is and what can be (Einstein comes to mind).  It is more like I'm laughing at the scientists (theoretical and intellectually dishonest empirical ones) who postulate ridiculous things like evolution (80 million year old DNA) and even after almost countless attempts to spin information, falsify evidence and so on and so forth still want to be believed!!  And by the way - Christians do not say that Jehovah / Yahweh created the western countries - where did that come from??
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 06:25:30 PM »
Every religion says that its God created the entire earth and entire humanity. But, unfortunately there is only one earth containing this humanity. Due to one earth, there must be one God only and hence all the religions are calling the same God by different names. Since the God is unimaginable and nobody can even imagine Him, all the names are indicating that unseen and unimaginable God only.

It is the stance of religion that a God created earth and humanity.  Yes.. one earth containing a humanity in God's image. 

There must be a positive note that there be one God only.. who created this world and all humanity who dwells it.

But.. people... our history shows... that this one TRUE creator is not realized.

But this Creator is IMAGINABLE.  Who is this God that can be imagined?   More than that.. he was handled by men of this earth.  His name is Jesus.
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2009, 08:51:01 PM »
Quote from: Zagzagel on May 14, 2009, 06:25:30 PM
Every religion says that its God created the entire earth and entire humanity. But, unfortunately there is only one earth containing this humanity. Due to one earth, there must be one God only and hence all the religions are calling the same God by different names. Since the God is unimaginable and nobody can even imagine Him, all the names are indicating that unseen and unimaginable God only.

It is the stance of religion that a God created earth and humanity.  Yes.. one earth containing a humanity in God's image. 

There must be a positive note that there be one God only.. who created this world and all humanity who dwells it.

But.. people... our history shows... that this one TRUE creator is not realized.

But this Creator is IMAGINABLE.  Who is this God that can be imagined?   More than that.. he was handled by men of this earth.  His name is Jesus.

The unimaginable God become imaginable when He comes in human form to preach and uplift the human souls. He is the authority on the earth to preach the souls. When one see such Human incarnation, one is seeing the unimaginable God. WHen one serve such human incarnation, one is serving the Heavenly Father.

Thus human incarnation is the only way to Heavenly Father for the human beings like us in this world. No other way.
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God never became imaginable
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2009, 08:51:35 PM »
Quote from: Zagzagel on May 14, 2009, 06:25:30 PM
Every religion says that its God created the entire earth and entire humanity. But, unfortunately there is only one earth containing this humanity. Due to one earth, there must be one God only and hence all the religions are calling the same God by different names. Since the God is unimaginable and nobody can even imagine Him, all the names are indicating that unseen and unimaginable God only.

It is the stance of religion that a God created earth and humanity.  Yes.. one earth containing a humanity in God's image. 

There must be a positive note that there be one God only.. who created this world and all humanity who dwells it.

But.. people... our history shows... that this one TRUE creator is not realized.

But this Creator is IMAGINABLE.  Who is this God that can be imagined?   More than that.. he was handled by men of this earth.  His name is Jesus.

When you experience God in human incarnation, God still remains unimaginable. Only the existence of unimaginable God is experienced and not God (asteetyeva
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2009, 08:55:25 PM »
Quote from: jfoxton on May 10, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Dat -
It concerns me that you would attribute "entertainment" as a noble characteristic of a holy God!  That He is glorified and pleased with the creation (and it was good) does not suggest to me the human thing called entertainment.  Your god, their god, is not the God of the Bible as far as I can tell.

 In the field of imaginable powers or Prakriti, you can achieve the powers through intelligence, self effort, techniques and instruments.  You should be either a scientist in the field of imaginable nature or a true devotee in the field of unimaginable super powers.  Today, several Gurus are misled and mislead others by standing in the border of these two fields.  They want to achieve the super powers by self effort called as meditation (Dhyana) or Yoga.  The Advaitins stand in this border in most confused state because they want to become the source of super powers  (God) itself through self effort, which is a continuous state of meditation thinking continuously
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2009, 06:56:02 PM »
Dat -
Give it up man!  Cop gave you some good advice - take it.  Wrong place, wrong way.  Sorry if you don't understand.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 06:57:16 PM »
I understand what you are saying.. thus there is no meaning to the gospel writers that we can "know".  Sure there is some mystery.. but why reject the "know" part of scriptures?  You then have to admit "imaginable" is possible? ... Why make this more mysterious than it is?  Can't we KNOW anything?  According to the scriptures there is that admission.  But you make this more mysterious than what the first Hebrew Christians intended?  Hmmm...
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 08:38:58 PM »
Quote from: Zagzagel on May 17, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
I understand what you are saying.. thus there is no meaning to the gospel writers that we can "know".  Sure there is some mystery.. but why reject the "know" part of scriptures?  You then have to admit "imaginable" is possible? ... Why make this more mysterious than it is?  Can't we KNOW anything?  According to the scriptures there is that admission.  But you make this more mysterious than what the first Hebrew Christians intended?  Hmmm...

The basic point is that even science is created by God only. He gave independence for human beings to use their analytical skill (a gift from God) to work with science. Thus these people get the results for that.

Science can reject items which are posing as God. But God is beyond science. It does not mean that God does not exists. HE exists and comes down in human form in every human generation.
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2009, 12:12:10 PM »
Hi Dat -
Please check out this web site: http://www.newswithviews.com/Collins/phillip129.htm
I think Phil Collins has a flair for putting his thoughts down on paper (how old am I? I mean putting electrons arranged into images displayed on LCD monitors!!!!!) 
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Re: Creation Sequence
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2009, 09:28:32 PM »
Quote from: jfoxton on May 21, 2009, 12:12:10 PM
Hi Dat -
Please check out this web site: http://www.newswithviews.com/Collins/phillip129.htm
I think Phil Collins has a flair for putting his thoughts down on paper (how old am I? I mean putting electrons arranged into images displayed on LCD monitors!!!!!) 

  God has arranged one unimaginable event in the creation, which can be seen by every body at any time.  Such miracle is the infinity of space.  The limits of this universe are unimaginable in this infinite space due to existence of infinite number of galaxies of stars in space.  Every one including scientist accepts the infinity of space. Even scientist could not see the limits of Universe even through most powerful telescope.  The stars seen by you with your naked eye are a very small number in the infinite number of galaxies of stars.  This establishes the unimaginable nature of God.  Krishna stated that God is unimaginable, when He said that none can know Him (Mamtuvedana
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Whether God is sadist to create this world for His entertainment
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2009, 09:30:33 PM »
Quote from: jfoxton on May 10, 2009, 10:41:18 AM
Dat -
It concerns me that you would attribute "entertainment" as a noble characteristic of a holy God!  That He is glorified and pleased with the creation (and it was good) does not suggest to me the human thing called entertainment.  Your god, their god, is not the God of the Bible as far as I can tell.

Whether God is sadist to create this world for His entertainment

Some people criticize that God is enjoying the creation by entertaining Himself while the souls are troubled with problems and the blame God with sadism.  The entertainment of God is not at all the sadism.  Sadism is based on two points.  One is: that the sadism is exhibited in reality in the world and not in the imaginary world.  For God, this world is imaginary and not real.  However, the sadism in the imaginary world may also show the attitude towards sadism in the mind.  Even that point is ruled out because the second point for the sadism is: that a sadist enjoys by torturing some innocent person without justified reason.  Here in the case of God, the problem of the soul in the world is based on its own actions and the punishment is given based on perfect justice.  Hence, the point of sadism cannot be attributed to God even in mind.  Moreover, the soul is not concerned with the entertainment of God because the soul is not punished on any unjust reason.

 If the soul follows the rules of God in the justice, no problem can be seen by the soul.  A rich person started a college for entertainment or to escape the income tax on his wealth.  This point is unnecessary for the student as long as the college is running on the rules of University. The student has scope to argue against the management provided any type of injustice takes place in teaching or in the examinations. As long as the academic program is perfectly implemented, the student has no scope of argument against the original intention of the management in starting the college.  Only a student, who is not perfectly following the academic schedule, will bother about such irrelevant points to mask his own defects.

 If some body still argues on this point due to foolishness, the only answer is that God is the supreme most boss and there is no body to argue with Him.  If an ant comments on the driver of car, such comment is not even heard by the driver! Since you do not know all the actions of a soul from its childhood, you should not say that a particular soul is good and yet is punished without justice.  Neither you are capable of noting all the actions of a soul nor you are capable of judging the action in depth.  Shankara established the nature of the world as unreal by itself and is felt real as long as the world exists based on God.  Such unreal world is imaginary.  The dream cannot be real without its basic material, which is the soul or awareness.  Similarly, a pot without mud and a chain without gold are unreal and they are imaginary or illusory.  But the world is imaginary to God only and not to your self.  If you say that the world is imaginary for your self also and try to do sins, you will have to undergo all the punishments and you must feel the punishments also as imaginary like your sins!  Your sins and their punishments are within the realm of the world only and hence both must be imaginary! 

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