Topic: For Anyone Who Thinks 'Real Scientists' Don't Believe... (Read 1031 times)

8d82thebone · « **on:** June 13, 2006, 09:44:41 AM »

Check out this article at http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/june/06061206.html & click on "Other Stories; Obnoxious Atheist To Believer."

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2006, 11:03:39 AM »

But he is not a real scientist. How can he be?

Heretic · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2006, 01:12:20 PM »

"(C.S. Lewis)......convinced me that the choice to believe is actually the most rational conclusion when you look at the evidence around you.

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2006, 01:22:42 PM »

lol Harry.

We've been through this before. What the man is saying is not that there is a specific subset of evidence the specifically speaks to the existence of God or his character. The man is saying that the evidence in its entirety best speaks to the existence of God, etc.

Signs, Harry. Signs.

The key phrase here is 'best speaks.' If you look at the evidence- everything... the totality of everything- but decide in advance that you simply choose to interpret it ALL within a naturalistic framework, then.... drum roll please.... uh... yea... no evidence, whether general or specific, is possible for anything OTHER than a naturalistic conclusion. If the 'best explanation' is always defined as 'the naturalistic explanation' then you've defined yourself out of even possibly being rational in your conclusion that none of the evidence argues for God.

Allow every possibility on the table and let the evidence speak for itself, and possibly 'best explanations' will emerge that are non-naturalistic.

Thus, this matter reduces to epistemological assumptions.

JustLiz · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2006, 02:10:19 PM »

You're right SNJ. How could he possibly be a real scientist when he actually had the audacity to consider the possible existence of something beyond the natural world??? GASP. I can hear the shockwaves rumbling through the world as we speak. I hope this doesn't cause an earthquake. A scientist looking beyond the natural??? Isn't that like a Jumbo Shrimp? How can this be???

And, did you read it? He actually wasn't indoctrinated as a child but converted at age 27...what a coincidence, that's the same age I converted. Prior to then he was an atheist. Isn't that C.S. Lewis's story as well?

Anthony Horvath · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2006, 02:19:55 PM »

Yes, that is Lewis's story as well, I believe. He may have been a shade older though.

Cogito · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2006, 12:41:16 AM »

Quote from: from the article

Science is the only reliable way to understand the natural world, and its tools when properly utilized can generate profound insights into material existence. But science is powerless to answer questions such as

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