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« on: December 03, 2004, 04:30:42 PM »

Is there a difference between science and religion? I beleive that the early science was well connected to religion. But, most of these beleifs have been disproven in Modern  Times.
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2004, 11:02:00 PM »

It is very tempting I believe for religious believers to try to avoid the whole problem by asserting that science and religion cannot come into conflict, so why worry about it? Well, this answer can be seen to be unacceptable once we examine it closely. A double truth theory states that something can be scientifically false but theologically true, which we call complementarianism. The view that science and theology are two nonoverlapping domains (science tells us facts, and theology gives us value and meaning). But the double truth theory is incoherent, since there is objective truth about the way reality is.

If you say there is no objective truth and to assert a purportedly objective truth is  self-refuting. If there is objective truth about the way the world is, it makes no sense to assert, for example, that while it is scientifically true that the universe is eternal and uncreated, nevertheless, it is theologically true that it had a beginning and was created.

As for complementarianism, this popular approach is all too often a thinly veiled excuse for disregarding religious truth claims

As evident in Freeman Dyson's candid remark:

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When all is said and done, science is also unacceptable, because the Christian faith makes historical assertions, and history is epistemologically on a par with science, as is especially evident in such historical sciences as paleontology and cosmology.


Therefore, we can see one cannot avoid the possibility of conflicting truth claims in science and religion.

We can see also that this is admittedly risky for the Christian faith: It puts its truth on the line. But it also makes Christianity great because the same common world that makes conflicts possible also affords the possibility of verification of Christian theology's truth claims.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2004, 01:49:17 PM »

I personally beleive that religions were early peoples way of thinking about how they and nature got here.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2004, 09:09:14 PM »

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I personally beleive that religions were early peoples way of thinking about how they and nature got here.


And evolution is some other people's way of thinking about how they got here.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2004, 02:06:17 PM »

You could look at it that way, but it is more factual than early religions.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2004, 02:48:01 PM »

What are the facts?
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2004, 02:09:01 PM »

One of the most current examples of evolution is the Flu. The reason it is so hard to prevent the flu is becouse it's DNA structure changes a little bit from one organism to another.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2004, 10:38:00 PM »

Has the flu ever evolved into.....chicken pox?  Has the flu ever sprouted legs and started breathing?
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2004, 02:11:28 PM »

No but it is still evolving.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2004, 02:34:23 PM »

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No but it is still evolving.


I don't think they are debating you on microevolution
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2004, 02:06:09 PM »

It's still evolution.
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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2004, 04:25:20 PM »

Evolution=change
The human race is still evolving.
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« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2004, 04:47:59 PM »

How is the human race still evolving may you add?
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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2004, 04:52:45 PM »

Are immune system is evolving.
We have grown taller since the middle ages.
And we are possibly even more intelligent.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2004, 09:48:43 PM »

:D That is evolution, when you attach the definition ' change' to the meaning of evolution. However, that is not what evolutionists are talking about. They think that a small organism was the start of our race and earth.
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1 Peter 3:15-16

"And if you are asked about your Christian hope, always be ready to explain it. But you must do this in a gentle and respectful way. Keep your conscience clear. Then if people speak evil against you, they will be ashamed when they see what a good life you live because you belong to Christ."

" I think, therefore I am." - DesCartes
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