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jfoxton

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Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« on: April 20, 2009, 03:35:45 PM »

If I'm in the wrong forum - please transfer it to right one!!  If you goggle the gent in the subject line and look under the heading Mr. Europe: Javier Solana posted by watchmanbiblestudy.com I think you be fascinated by his rapid rise to power in the various country groups over in Europe and NATO.  If you're a died in the wool pre-triber you probably dismiss him outright - your choice.  After 25 of being pre-trib and "converting" to pre-wrath I've been open to the thought of being here when the Antichrist/first beast became known by fulfilling the scriptures.  I'm not totally convinced (like 98%) because so many things have to happen very rapidly for his second and possibly third epidural fulfillment to take place.  It's not what I would have been expecting because there is the before and after (possession by Satan) person.  I tended to think that he had to be wicked wicked from day one - but maybe more like Judas Iscariot.  I'm looking for good feedback/discussion based on anything but "it can't be because I'm praetorian".  The existing facts are the facts - at the very least he is paving the superhighway for "the" Antichrist.
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 02:09:53 PM »

He looks like a nice man in the pictures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Solana

i don't know why this man is an especially good candidate for being the anti-christ (i also don't know what "epidural fulfillment" is - fulfillment delivered directly into the spinal canal?  Sounds illegal to me).  i do know that in every generation since the concept was invented, at least one person has been identified as the antichrist, and they have all failed to live up (or down) to expectation.  i see no reason to think that this one will be any different.

Previous candidates for the antichrist include:

Antiochus Epiphanes
Caligula
Nero
Martin Luther (by Catholics)
and every Pope since the Reformation (by Protestants)
Napoleon
Hitler
Henry Kissenger
Saddam Hussein
Ronald Reagan
Yassir Arafat
Bill Gates
Barney the Dinosaur

i vote no
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 03:14:40 PM »

He looks like a nice man in the pictures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Solana

i don't know why this man is an especially good candidate for being the anti-christ (i also don't know what "epidural fulfillment" is - fulfillment delivered directly into the spinal canal?  Sounds illegal to me).  i do know that in every generation since the concept was invented, at least one person has been identified as the antichrist, and they have all failed to live up (or down) to expectation.  i see no reason to think that this one will be any different.

Problably why he's only saying "candidate" and not "actual". Mostly it's due to the fact that Anti-christ is prophecied to be a world ruler that people can have a clue to look for someone to be in a position of leadership in a one-world government.

But it isn't a matter Christians need be concerned with too much. He could be born or he could be a few generations away, our job is to present the Word and represent Christ regardless.
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 07:25:23 PM »

The spelling error - maybe I put my fingers in the wrong position of the keyboard - that word was supposed to be scripture (not that would change your comments any).  I admit that there has been many guesses over the years as to who the Antichrist is.  I am aware that some fighting in WWII thought Adolf Hitler was he.  The problem with most guesses is that they have used some of the information about him (like he was to rise out of the area encompassing the Roman Empire - which was vast) but ignored or didn't study out the the rest of the requirements.  I'll list some of the most prominent issues:
0-He has no desire of women (I didn't think he would be an older guy -I interpreted it that he was a sodomite/gay - shows you how easy it is to make bad interpretations) (I realized I had forgotten this and had to put it somewhere!)
1-He had to live after Rome fell apart and then came back together (Daniel's vision of world empires - the gold/silver/bronze/iron/iron & clay statue)
2-He leads a 10+ nation (open for some interpretation) confederacy after it is created
3-He overcomes 3 leaders/nations that oppose him (in his rise to power)
4-He signs a 7 year treaty with Israel and other nations (Daniel 9)
5-He receives some type of wound (very possibly a head wound) and "miraculously" recovers
6-He is possessed by Satan himself (must happen before he steps into the Jewish Temple)
7-He steps into the rebuilt Temple and proclaims himself to be God 3 1/2 years after he signs the treaty
8-He has a side kick referred to as the False Prophet/second beast, an apparent religious leader that pulls off the greatest deceptions and false signs ever seen, who directs worship to the Antichrist/first beast and demands that everyone (probably in Europe at least) take a mark on their right hand or forehead that is related to the number 666 (the number of his name).

Your right - Javier looks like a great guy - passionately devoted to building or rebuilding Europe and bringing peace to the world.  Speaks several languages, very intelligent, doesn't look like the type of guy that would walk into any religious building, especially one that the eternal God claimed as His earthly home, and announce that he is God.  If you take the time to read the website I referred to you would find that Javier has signed (for the second time - first time was in 1995) a 7 year treaty with Israel as the first signer (in effect 1/1/07).  He is the de facto leader of the WEC - the powerbase/military might of Europe, the resolution that he presented to the EC to appoint himself as the High Representative of the EC (directing foreign policy and security/military issues) happened to be resolution number 666.  The 7 year treaty has a review written into it exactly 3 1/2 years after it was implemented (middle of 2010).  So a lot has to transpire in a seeming short amount of time (15-16 months).  I don't see anyone else on the landscape of Europe that seems to have the gravitas - but I work two jobs everyday to keep the fires burning and I have limited time to look at all the possibilities.  Needless to say if Javier dies of natural or unnatural causes (he is in a high risk job) and stays dead - I'll have to admit I misread this one.  Taking any one or two of the prophecies, you could pin it on a number of personages, but put them all together and it eliminates just about everyone except Javier - but it is not finished because the process and the person are in development.  That's why prophecy is what separates the Bible from all other books and Christ from all other messiahs.  All of this is just a prelude to the return of Christ - that's the real focus and good news - the consumate evil guys are destroyed by consumate good Guy.  Javier is worth watching, PS - he also headed up NATO for a while until 1999!
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2009, 04:26:28 PM »

I haven't noticed this "pre-wrath" idea take to much hold in the eschatology community at all since it was first introduced.  When I first heard about (many moons ago - and read the first book by that author) I was interested but I quickly realized it's just another idea that doesn't have any solid ground.
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010, 09:08:44 AM »

 I was interested but I quickly realized it's just another idea that doesn't have any solid ground.

Since a fair amount of time has passed since we bounced this thought around, I have to be cognizant that the probabilities are diminishing that the Jewish temple will be rebuilt by July of 2010 and Javier will step into it.  It doesn't eliminate the possibility that Javier will sign a 3rd seven year agreement/covenant with Israel.  One of his positions with the EEC or EU has been transfered to some female statesperson as of late.  Is Javier out of the picture?  We know he will have challanges to his rise to power.  Only time will tell.  That the Europe Union wants or needs a leader to pull them out of this economic and political mess is evident.  That scirpture declares that a new monitary, religious and political order is going to arise (at least in Europe) is clearly stated.   Keep tuned to your webcast or TV - scripture is being fulfilled.
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 12:05:04 PM »

Although this board has virtually died, I see crazy Christians still pop up to spout nonsense from time to time :)

I view the belief in any supreme being as approaching the height of irrationality. Believing that an actual antichrist will appear on earth indicates a person who has left sanity far behind.
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2010, 01:21:43 PM »

jfoxton,

The problem for me is that virtually every generation of Christians has been able to make an argument demonstrating that Biblical phophecy applies to them.  Remember how end times were going to be starting in 1988 because it was a generation after the founding of the state of Israel?  This is a cycle which goes around at intervals based on peoples' relative credulity and/or self-importance in believing that they are necessarily part of the climax of human history, mediated by the length of their memories to forget the last person who confidently called time on the universe.  So far, every one of these people has died with their chialistic expectations unfulfilled, and i see no reason why you should be any different (sorry).  i would recommend going back to the scriptures and trying to read them without any preconceptions.  You may be surprised to find that their authors probably didnt mean what you have interpretted them to mean.

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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 04:44:02 PM »

Predicting .. heh.  As a person believing that a Creator whom started all things... I just won't go there too often even though I believe this has happened from time to time... but with much questions.  I find this topic not very believable for me.  I think there is a better way to address this for our homie athiests.
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2011, 01:09:01 PM »

Sorry for the long absence!   Picked up a job I thought my son would take from me, once trained, back in November.  It's driving blood, processed and raw(?)/unprocessed, for the American Red Cross.  It's night driving, 8PM to 3AM, if the weather cooperates - which often it doesn't, down to Binghamton, NY from Rochester, NY - about 300 miles round trip.  I've had to come up to speed on many elements of driving with a load/processed blood for two hospitals in Johnson City/Binghamton and then picking up unprocessed donor blood at the Red Cross facility and return it to Rochester while dodging deer (herds at times) and unskilled or drunk or sleep deprived etc, etc. drivers in snow storms at times mixed with fog.  Yes, I've had challanges: hit one deer around 70mph head on, another 2 that I wish I hadn't blown my horn at, a serious mishap with a tractor trailer while my son was driving and once off the road while thinking the trailings of a thruway snow plow when he exited the thruway were the sides of the road (during that worst storm of the century).  Thankfully, I and my son and daughter (who drives with me occasionly) were unhurt.  One of my Sprinters is rebuilt and the second one is in process.  It is a very well paying job since they have to pay me both directions if you understand the trucking world.  My in-laws decided to pay my son's delinquint school bills (which he was supposed to have paid after getting a job early last year - didn't) so he could continue to get his 4 yr. degree.  I am holding on to the job at least until we find out if he gets a teaching job after graduation.  JAVIER - where are you?  I thought he probably retired - nah! - he's one of the super elite on the ICC with George Sorros that just presented their choice for Egypts new president!  Well who knows?  Only God! 
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Re: Javier Solana: Candidate For Anti-Christ
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2011, 07:23:47 PM »

Although this board has virtually died, I see crazy Christians still pop up to spout nonsense from time to time :)

I view the belief in any supreme being as approaching the height of irrationality. Believing that an actual antichrist will appear on earth indicates a person who has left sanity far behind.

Perhaps this board is just through a stage?  IF died then you are wrong cause it is still alive.  I see crazy Christians stilll prop to spout nonsense but I still saw you popping up too to spill your own nonsense.  :) 

Actually, I don't undestand your sentiments here quite fully.  But I give you a chance to defend yourself.
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