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Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« on: December 02, 2007, 03:03:01 AM »

I seem to have done something I swore I never would - I fell in love with a very religious Catholic. What's worse, she loves me back! (yeah I don't know why, either) I was just wondering if there were any similar couples out there, and if so, how do you make it work?

Other than the religion thing, we get along great. It's not our only difference, but it's the only one that matters. We can sit up talking all night or making love all night (for a good Catholic girl, she sure loves to have sex :) ). She says me being an atheist bothers her a lot, but she still loves me. I know this is going to keep coming up, though, so I'm just looking for some opinions here.


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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 05:07:44 PM »

(for a good Catholic girl, she sure loves to have sex :) )."

For the record, I'm a good Christian boy, and I love having sex.  I think I might quibble on the timing, though.  ;)  For right now, I guess I'm just happy that you've came back to our 'team.'  [sntjohnny searches for appropriate smiley, gives up]

About your situation... well, its not going to be easy.  In my opinion, you guys should sort this out pronto.  Things are going to get really dicey when you have kids.  In the Catholic Church, in particular, when you get married they will make you swear that the kids will be raised Catholic.  They do that even if a Catholic marries a Protestant, by the way.  Else they won't marry you.  You might say that you don't care about that now but you might find that you care a great deal about it in 8 years when kids start coming down the pike.  If she is as devout as you say, she will insist on having the kids in the RCC system but you might really have a problem with that. 

Or you could become a Catholic.  Then we're really be on the same 'team.' :)
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 06:11:04 PM »

The difference in religious outlooks will eventually tear the relationship apart.  Best to get it sorted out sooner rather than later.
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 10:26:14 PM »

The difference in religious outlooks will eventually tear the relationship apart.  Best to get it sorted out sooner rather than later.

I think that the Doctor may be generally right, but it really depends on individual circumstances.  When I was in college, I had a romance with a Catholic, and I remember that it was pretty difficult to think in practical terms.  When there is a strong sexual and personal attraction, both parties want the relationship to work.  So long term pragmatic concerns tend to get set aside.  We are programmed for romance.  I did feel strongly enough attracted to the woman to consider marriage and living with all of the baggage that a Catholic wife might bring.  It didn't happen, and I don't now regret that.  But I'm a different person now than I was then. 

My father was an atheist, but he agreed to let his children be raised as Episcopalians.  Of four children, three retained religious beliefs.  I was the exception.  Generally speaking, it is impossible for children to grow up in a mixed-marriage household and remain oblivious to the religious differences of the parents.  Over the long run, an atheist-Christian relationship faces a lot of difficulties.  If this relationship becomes permanent, Ragnar, you had best reconcile yourself to the fact that it will be a serious issue in the long run.  Some of your children may become estranged from you over this.  You need to take that into consideration. if things get serious.
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 01:27:40 PM »

Speaking from personal experience, this will be a huge issue.  In my first marriage, my husband professed faith but did not live it out.  My fianc
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 03:43:33 PM »

Hi Ragnar,

i'm in kind of the same situation as you.  i've been in a committed relationship with a Catholic for about 18months now, although within that time we've broken up and got back together five times.  Going strong for approaching six months now!  *fingers crossed*

i think the make-or-break issue is respect, because if there is something fundamental to your partner (such as her beliefs about the universe) which you do not respect then that will corode your relationship, pretty much as soon as the initial honeymoon period wears off.  Atheists and Christians are almost hard-wired to feel something approaching intellectual contempt for the opposite point of view, which may be supportable in the case of friends, but with a potential life-long partner maybe not.

How i deal with it... well, regardless of how she was brought up, my girlfriend and i have very similar views on most topics, including the spiritual.  i respect her journey, and she respects my doubt.  There's plenty of other stuff that is different about us (we're also a mixed-race, mixed-culture relationship), but it's the religious differences which have broken us up in the past.  i cant say that you're in for an easy time.

That said, best of luck!  Consider it an ideal opportunity for a little evangelism.  Go easy on her though - imagine how you'd feel if she was trying to convert you.

Regarding other people's comments:

For the record, I'm a good Christian boy, and I love having sex.  

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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 03:53:44 PM »

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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 11:31:45 AM »

Heheh

Stop hijacking the topic you FLIRT!  If your wife finds out, it's over.   [biggrin
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2007, 03:17:56 PM »

I seem to have done something I swore I never would - I fell in love with a very religious Catholic. What's worse, she loves me back! (yeah I don't know why, either) I was just wondering if there were any similar couples out there, and if so, how do you make it work?

Other than the religion thing, we get along great. It's not our only difference, but it's the only one that matters. We can sit up talking all night or making love all night (for a good Catholic girl, she sure loves to have sex :) ). She says me being an atheist bothers her a lot, but she still loves me. I know this is going to keep coming up, though, so I'm just looking for some opinions here.


Hmmm... interesting situation.  Are you sure you "love" her?  Are you sure she "loves you"? IF yes, then you must consider the definition of love and where that will take you both, etc.

What makes companionship work is that both know the cost (Initially both involved don't think about that because there is the natural inclinations/attractions and such.. but eventually this will have to be adddressed in the relationship)... and so... the agreement.  But that stuff is never a reality in a romance at first as previously mentioned.  What happens is that there is an attraction (no matter the belief) and most times sex follows.  Then there is the possible situation that sex is the binding factor for the relationship.  But all this is  tricky, especially when an argument breaks out.  My advice in that area is NEVER bring her beliefs into that sort of situation.  IF she does do it to you, don't fall into the same trap.

My spouse and I differ in beliefs.  I am universalist and she is more Calvin/Arminian.. I can't tell sometimes which belief she operates by.  haha

But it doesn't matter if she is more Calvin or Arminian (or vise-versa) because she is a very smart person.  She could make my head spin when it comes to this relationship stuff.  I don't give her enough credit in that area.

Basically, THE WOMAN knows best (my opinion) when it comes to relationships and all that mushy stuff.   So please her first if you want it to work out.  Then she will please you once she finds out that your interest is totally in her as a person.  But for darn sakes don't try to convert her.. it won't work.  And a relationship is more than sex.  :)

Haha.. I could ramble on forever about this..

Good luck.  Love is such a smoothy thingy.. and the sex thing.. yup, good stuff too!!

Ps... lol.. sntj is possibly right.. welcome to the "team". ;)
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2007, 08:35:55 PM »

interesting responses. Maybe I should give a little more background here. We have known each other about five years, but up until Nov. 11 it wasn't anything like a relationship. We would go out a few times, she would get "too busy" to see me, and I wouldn't see her again for a year or two. Sometimes we still talked on the phone, sometimes not. Neither one of us was really very serious about the other. Since I met her I think she dated at least one other guy seriously, maybe two. Anyway, my sister got married on the 11th. I invited this woman to be my guest at the wedding, and at first she said no, but finally she agreed. We hadn't seen each other for maybe about a year, but we had been talking on the phone again. The last time I saw her she had said she wanted to have sex with me, but it never happened.  So she comes to the wedding and we have a great time. Afterwards I am supposed to drive her home, but I ask her if she wants to go to a hotel. She says yes and we make love all night, and we have been seeing each other since. Somewhere along the way we fell in love. So even though i have known her five years, it still feels very new.

Conversion is not a possibility on either side, on mine because my mind is made up on the matter regardless of what she says, on hers because she comes from a very religious extended Polish family that is very close - brothers, sisters, neices, cousins. I've met some of them and they're very nice people, but it's a very Old European mentality that probably can't even imagine the idea of there being no god. I wouldn't even want to try to convert her, I know it'd be pointless. Of all the issues raised in this thread  the only one I think I am really concerned about is the possibility of marriage going forward. It's not important to me, but obviously it will be important to her if we intend to stay together, and I don't think a Catholic Church anywhere would marry an atheist. We're not yet at that point, though, so... I don't know. I guess we'll just keep talking about this and try to figure something out when the time comes. 
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2008, 10:25:47 PM »

My wife and I have an odd relationship. I'm a religious fanatic, while she the "true believer." I'm ex-Catholic turned Righteous Gentile who prays fairly often while she's non-observant Christian who apparently never utters a "prayer" except when a loved one is sick.
She puts up with me when I get preachy, and when she asks me questions about God and the here-after, she refuses to believe me. She frustrates me when she does that, and sometimes I wonder why she even asks me those kinds of questions if she's not going to believe me, but then I think she's just looking for me to confirm what she already "knows."
I'm a libertarian, she's conservative with only a FEW liberal leanings. She is utterly opposed to ending the War on Drugs, while I want it ended yesterday.
I think our political differences are of the same importance as our religious ones. We both know the other is basically harmless and ernest and honest. And we love each other.
Somehow, she hasn't dumped me yet.
Does that help at all?
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 08:48:02 AM »

Well, that didn't last long. She broke up with me right after her 35th birthday. Christian version of a midlife crisis, I guess. She wants to spend her life with someone who will share her faith and go to church with her every week. Since that is obviously not me, she said she couldn't stay with me anymore.

So if there are any single atheists out there, I'm available again :)
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 11:25:07 AM »

Bummer.  As the poet said, "Love hurts, but not as much as having your leg sawn off". 

i've always found that a comfort.
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2008, 09:23:29 PM »

I think an atheist father and a Roman Catholic mother is a perfect recipe for agnostic kids!  I grew up with both parents believing and worshiping in the same way, so I can't really speak from experience, but I can imagine how uncomfortable it makes a kid when he realizes if one parent's beliefs are correct, the other is in grave, eternal danger, and if the other is correct, then the first one is putting hope in a complete falsehood. 

That's gotta suck.  And I haven't even mentioned the long term effects this very real tension will have on a relationship (mixed-religion relationships, I can speak of from experience).  It might not seem to matter now because you are still in the glow of sexual enthrallment, but after moving past that stage of the relationship, if I were a betting man, I'd bet that you're headed for a crash  :cry:
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2008, 04:55:29 PM »

Rag... I didn't see this lasting....  Sorry buddy.  Maybe you should have converted and you probably would still be holding her in your arms.  ;(  I didn't see her converting to your ideas at all... especially if she was a convinced Catholic.
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2008, 12:51:35 AM »

Wow, sounds familiar xD

BTW, DannyBoy and Ragnar should change their avys! I JUST realized they had the same avatar AND were both 4-star predominant users (whatever that means, lol)... no wonder I kept getting confused midway through threads xD
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2008, 07:17:16 AM »

Coming up on 20 years in a theologically mixed relationship.

Never once has this been a source of discontent or tension.

She accepts and respects what I believe to be true and I accept and respect what she believes to be true. I could count on 1/2 the fingers of one hand in 20 years she made a comment simular to "It bothers me you don't believe as I do".  Which I have answered with something simular to "It bothers me that your south-end has tripled in size over the last 20 years". 

Most folks dont just "chose" a philosophical/theological belief or outlook on life.  In a manner of speaking one questions, searches and researches and it's your own conation  that makes up your mind for you.  You can chose your rear-size by regulating the amount of pie you stuff in your pie-hole.

That is about the extent religion/beliefs has interfered in our relationship.

So yes, it can work out just fine. Mutual respect is all it takes.

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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2008, 11:55:38 AM »

Most folks dont just "chose" a philosophical/theological belief or outlook on life.  In a manner of speaking one questions, searches and researches and it's your own conation  that makes up your mind for you.  You can chose your rear-size by regulating the amount of pie you stuff in your pie-hole.

Uhh, yeah. You chose to continue stuffing or not. Welcome to the world of consequences from choice.
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Re: Romantic Relationships Between Atheists and Christians
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2008, 07:33:41 PM »


Uhhh... that's what I said.

Welcome? Been here awhile. 47 years to be exact. How long have you been here in the world of consequences from choice?

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2008, 11:52:10 PM »


Uhhh... that's what I said.

Sorry. Misread you. Though I don't think conation has as much to do with it as you think, as one can research all the facts they want, but when it comes to a conclusion on what the facts mean that is indeed a matter of choice.

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Glad to hear it. Amazingly most people are shocked when their decisions have repercussions, often in the negative. Like having a STD after sleeping around with anything with a pulse (or not). Or seeing such behavior on the rise after it's encouraged. Things like that.
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