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"Moderate" Islam: is it good to ignore the bad?
« on: March 15, 2008, 10:51:08 AM »

Recently some of my friends and I were discussing different strains of Islam, and we ended up debating whether the merits of "moderate" Islam.  As a side note, I dislike the term "moderate Islam," but it clearly communicates what I'm trying to get across so that's the term I'm using.  Anyway, it seems clear that the beliefs we Westerners consider "moderate" Islam ignore parts of Islamic teachings that permit and promote violence toward non-Muslims.  While some of these teachings are of questionable authority, there are certainly some that are clearly part of Islam.  (We could get into a more specific discussion of which teachings are valid, but for this discussion the preceding is mainly an assumed premise).  The question we then discussed was whether the fact that "moderate" Muslims generally ignore these teachings was a credit to them (ostensibly because such violence is absolutely/objectively immoral) or whether it was a negative (because they're being logically inconsistent by claiming their Scriptures are true while ignoring parts they find not-so-true, or at least parts they are uncomfortable with).  While such logical inconsistency is certainly not limited to Islam, it opens up a larger question as well: if you believe part of your religion isn't true, should you modify the religion and keep following it or are you compelled to do away with the entire religion?

In short, I'm looking for input on the merits of "moderate" Muslims ignoring/opposing some of Islam's teachings about violence with, if desired, some thoughts on the larger issues stemming from that (mentioned briefly above).
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Re: "Moderate" Islam: is it good to ignore the bad?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2008, 02:44:37 PM »

...While such logical inconsistency is certainly not limited to Islam, it opens up a larger question as well: if you believe part of your religion isn't true, should you modify the religion and keep following it or are you compelled to do away with the entire religion?

It is in our nature to have contradictory beliefs.  That is how we ground our faith in the truth of what we do  finally come to believe in--by arriving at the conclusion that an assertion's contradiction is less viable when we attempt to defend it against our experiences and render it consistent with other beliefs.  We always weigh opposing points of view, and they must be felt compatible with other things we believe about reality.  So there ought to be nothing wrong with abandoning parts of a religious doctrine if those parts become too burdensome to defend in our minds. 

As I see it, the dilemma you raise has more to do with the nature of religious faith in general.  It is often based on little more than trust in the authority of those who first indoctrinated you in the faith.  If you can question any part of it, that throws the entire authority in question.  You have to have some basis for rejecting earlier beliefs.  Christians were able to reject large parts of OT doctrine precisely because Christ represented a new authority.  Islam has its own schisms that find ways of discounting or reinterpreting the more virulent sections of scripture, just as Christians did.  Unfortunately, Muslims seem to have undergone considerable backsliding into fundamentalist doctrine since their earlier, more tolerant behavior.  The huge increase in oil wealth has done more than anything else to spread Wahhabist fundamentalist beliefs.  Hence, a more virulent brand of Islam has come to be seen as representative of its core beliefs.

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In short, I'm looking for input on the merits of "moderate" Muslims ignoring/opposing some of Islam's teachings about violence with, if desired, some thoughts on the larger issues stemming from that (mentioned briefly above).

During its golden age, Islam seemed a far more tolerant religion that Christianity during the same period.  Jews, for example, tended to fare better in Muslim lands than in Christendom.  (Consider, for example, the situation in Moorish Spain.)  Nowadays, the situation seems rather reversed, as Christian countries have evolved more secular governments to reduce the effects of inter-faith squabbling.  The Muslim world has some secular governments, but even they are under strong attack (e.g. modern Turkey).
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Re: "Moderate" Islam: is it good to ignore the bad?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 10:15:06 PM »

Then would suggest that religion and logic and or rationalism cannot exist together?  In my experience, people (at least those somewhat serious about their religious beliefs) will try to reinterpret their beliefs w/o questioning the authority of their scriptures before rejecting the authority of scriptures outright.  I guess my question then moves to whether it is legitimate to deny the truth of part of scripture while maintaining the authority of the same scriptures generally, especially when the basis for denying the truth of that part is personal disagreement.  This contrasts with denying the truth of an interpretation of scripture.  For the purposes of my original question, this must assume that the passage(s) in question are clear and only open to interpretation(s) the individual disagrees with, i.e., only interpretations that permit or encourage violence against those of other faiths.
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