Well, for me personally, I would have to go by my testimony. To start off, I know that many people will only believe in God if they have hard-core evidence that they can see with their 5 senses, which is completely understandable because that interests me also. However, faith and miracles is what won me over for Christ. I grew up going to church my whole life, but I really never did accept Jesus as my Savior. I was abused at 4 years old and went through court cases for 8 years. I could go into detail, but I rather not. Many people told my mom and I that we would never win the court case because my old dad disposed of the evidence. I prayed and my mom prayed countless times a day. I know this may seem like a coincidence to some people because they don't want to believe in miracles, but for me and my family, we do. It wasn't a coincidence at all, believe it or not, God helped us to be strong in those times and he has blessed me with unbelievable talents. Anyways, like many of you though I like to know about the science of how Christianity can work. So far, I have seen nothing better proposed. I am still researching and learning though. I guess through this post, basically, personal experiences with God is what brought me to where I stand today.

Please Tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I am an Athiest and I want to hear your reasons why you are or are not Christian?

I am a believer because God intervened in my life.  He saved me.

oh there are so many reasons.  I guess the first thing that really brought me to believe in the possibility of a God was quantum theory.  The theories of wormholes, et cetera, implies alternate dimensions that are real yet we know almost nothing about except theoretically.  It was then not hard to assume the possibility of a 'being' in one of those other, higher, dimensions.  The rest then followed.

Jason,

Q: How can a 'being' that is by definition, 'the totality of all there is'...reside in some other place?

There is no other place. See, this is where the notion of an anthropomorphized "God" breaks down under scrutiny, for "He" is necessarily non-localized (and this includes any other higher dimensions).

A conceptual understanding of quantum mechanics plays a key role in formulating a relatively healthy, mature perception of "God". For laboring in the vineyard carries much greater implications than most Christians currently comprehend.  

Ontological theory as well brings me there......

Until one's conceptual system of "God" wholly (Holy? ) integrates quantum theory (science) and ontological theory (religion) into a coherent system that one can explain in one's own words...one can place faith in the knowledge that their belief system is flawed.

Q: How can a 'being' that is by definition, 'the totality of all there is'...reside in some other place?

It's not 'some other place,' it is a higher dimension.  Just like the 4th dimension is reality to us and is more real than the 3rd dimension, God in a higher dimension is more real than our reality.

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Please Tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I am an Athiest and I want to hear your reasons why you are or are not Christian?

I am a believer because God intervened in my life.  He saved me.

I think what you meant to say Tony (for the sake of effective/meaningful interpersonal communication) is that: You are a believer because you perceive God to have intervened in your life. It is your perception that He saved you.

Tony's reply:
It is my perception that He saved me because He actually did save me.

Personally all you Christian need to stop on relying on a superior being.
All ive ever heard Christians say is  God helped me or I did it becouse god wanted me tool.

You obviously haven't talked to many Christians.

I haven't heard any arguments like that on these forums.  You must be thinking of the "Christians according to Skeptics" board over at infantileunderstandingofchristianity.org.  Lots of dumb Christians over there.

Its probaly because they are like their religion STUPID!!!!





Sorry, but that is as nice as I can put it :D

Now now, Anti. Jumping in here chunking rocks isn't the way for you to gain any understanding of what and why these folks believe what they believe.

I'm sure that's not all you ever hear xians say.  They do say a lot more, all you gotta do is stop and listen.

I personally am an Atheist but that doesn't automatically give me the superior intellectual high ground. (Unless your dealing with johnny, then it's automatic ) Try telling us, for example,  why is it you believe them to be Stupid and not just misguided. Poke around these forums and take clue from some of the other atheists here.

Unless your just another user who has grown bored and logged on with another name to act goofy and stir up trouble. If that's the case, never mind.

Apollos;

Who's TG?

I am a Christian because I was an atheist and found that there was no more credible reason to be an atheist than there was to be a Christian.  I weighed the two OBJECTIVELY and found that atheism required as much belief in unfounded claims as any other belief system.  Starting with beginnings of the universe to the beginnings of life.  

At the same time, I had many events happen in my life both positive and negative that led inexplicably to the point in my life where I am now that were so out of character for who I was before to look at and say they were all coincidence.  

Its probaly because they are like their religion STUPID!!!!
Sorry, but that is as nice as I can put it

Is this as opposed to your tone in the "Why be an atheist" thread that reads kinda like;

"Well, because, its like the cool thing to do"?

Oh tell me peacful atheist, prince of irony, from where does such graceful wisdom and insight as yours flow?

Could it be that TG is now an atheist?

May be.  What did the atheists call christians who posted like this at DTF?  Trolls?

LOL! Was that really called for Heretic? That's just downright insultin'.  

TheAntiChrist,

I was born into a Christian family (I know that's the answer you're fishing for), but after seriously and thoroughly examining my beliefs (which I am still doing), I have found that I have no reason to not believe what I do.

Like (the unpronouncable) nrthsll, my experience shows that what I believe is much more plausible than atheism. There have been far too many "coincidences" in my life to be mere coincidences. Even if one was to say that I am only interpreting these coincidences as something more because of my beliefs, the fact remains that they keep pointing in a certain direction regardless of what I believe.

Perhaps when you get older you, too, will look back and be able to see that things are not as random as they sometimes appear. It's like doing one of those connet-the-dots pictures.