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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2004, 04:14:29 PM »
Matt wich "he" are you talking about?
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2004, 04:49:04 PM »
Yzr I do. And I believe you know what I am attempting to communicate also.

The Qua'ran (<--however you spell that) has not been 'done away' with after all these years either.

You didn't prove I am not God, you just proved God (me) is not perfect. :)
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2004, 03:44:00 PM »
Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about and what you are trying to communicate. However, the Bible is perfect in that you can't find any contradictions in it. Does the Quaran give us the same? Also, I proved that you aren't perfect, therefore you are not God, because God is perfect.
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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2004, 09:08:41 AM »
There are many contradictions found within the bible. Yes, I've heard all the 'glossing' attempts at explaining them. Most don't hold water.

There are those that claim the Quaran contains no contradictions and is 'perfect'.

God must be perfect in your opinion. Are you claiming an imperfect god cannot exist? By what measure to you claim this? Why cannot an imperfect god exist? I'm guessing you hold this position because 'the bible tells you so'. God exists because the bible says so, the bible exists because god wrote it. Doesn't that seem to go 'round and 'round to you?
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« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2004, 10:22:56 AM »
Quote from: matt
Yes, I know exactly what you are talking about and what you are trying to communicate. However, the Bible is perfect in that you can't find any contradictions in it. Does the Quaran give us the same? Also, I proved that you aren't perfect, therefore you are not God, because God is perfect.


Matt,

Would you like a partial list of all the contradictons and anomalies that are present in Genesis - the foundational book of the Bible - when a literal interpretation is forced upon it?  :roll:
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2004, 10:58:20 AM »
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There are many contradictions found within the bible. Yes, I've heard all the 'glossing' attempts at explaining them. Most don't hold water.

There are those that claim the Quaran contains no contradictions and is 'perfect'.

God must be perfect in your opinion. Are you claiming an imperfect god cannot exist? By what measure to you claim this? Why cannot an imperfect god exist? I'm guessing you hold this position because 'the bible tells you so'. God exists because the bible says so, the bible exists because god wrote it. Doesn't that seem to go 'round and 'round to you?


Heretic,

An imperfect "God" cannot exist for the same reason that a four sided triangle cannot exist...because it is logically impossible. In both cases THE TERMS SERVE A PURELY FUNCTIONAL PURPOSE.

You seem intent on attempting to substitute an alternate concept to the term "God" rather than accepting the fact that (whether you accept or reject its overall relevance is besides the point)  the label "God" or "Yhwh" or "Jehovah" or "Allah" etc. simply refers to an established conceptual system.

"God" does not denote the same concept that "god" does.

"God" is by definition "omnipotent", "omniscient", "eternal", and "infinite", thus "God" is necessarily perfect. Perfection is a side-effect, in a manner of speaking. Of course, another side-effect is that "God" must also be relatively unknowable to man, as  each of His/Its component characteristics alone is actually or literally inconceivable to the finite human mind.

Now these wholly abstract conceptual systems of which "God" is comprised - omnipotence, omniscience, eternity, infinity - are unified under the banner (or label) of a single meta-system that is essentially the ultimate abstract conceptual system potentially imaginable - "God".

The word "God" itself is (like all words) a paradox in that it actually-literally reveals/says nothing about that which it potentially-figuratively represents.

It's quite by design that "God" in the OT:

a.  refers to "Himself" as I AM that [which] I AM,
b. is never (except by Adam & Eve) perceived directly by human characters
c. is unable to directly reveal his face to human characters (to do so will cause death).

The point is that the authors intentionally crafted the figure of "God" as essentially abstract (i.e. essentially without ACTUAL form) to indirectly convey - to the careful, critical reader - what could not be literally conveyed.
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And I realized our true nature is spirit, not body; that we are eternal beings and God's love is unconditional and there's nothing we can ever do to change that. It is only our illusion that we are separate from God or that we are alone. In fact the reality is that we are one with God and He loves us."
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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2004, 04:34:34 PM »
AQueryan,

Yes, I would if you don't mind. I will answer you when I get home Heretic.
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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2004, 04:02:20 PM »
AQuerman you act more like Jason than anybody I know.
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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2004, 02:18:28 PM »
What's not up? Heaven.
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« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2004, 01:37:43 PM »
There have been 5 non-Christians vote in the Poll.
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