Topic: Greetings Pagan Christians! (Read 5394 times)

Tony N · « **on:** June 24, 2005, 06:06:26 AM »

Just thought I'd come back and see if any of you have given up your paganism for the true Christianity of the Bible?

Are you still worshipping the christian god that is far worse than the other pagan gods? . . . the christian god which eternally tortures people in flames? Or have you relinquished that god for the true God of the Bible "Who will have all mankind to be saved"? (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11).

Are you still worshipping the christian god that cares nothing about Christ's sacrifice, Who died for all mankind's sins but rather places all the burden of saving yourself upon yourself rather than worshipping the true God of the Bible Who actually saves you?

I pray that the true God of the Bible saves you from the christian pagain god ideology. It is far far worse than any religion of the heathen you know.

Tony N

Zagzagel · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:41:55 PM »

Interesting. A 'christian' who is also 'pagan'. Thus the 'Christian pagan' or 'Pagan Christian'. lol.

Heretic · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2005, 09:27:14 PM »

Well, me personally, I have taken your question to it's logical conclusion. I gave up worshipping any God. Not just the pagan ones or the Indian ones or the christian ones but all of them. When one can prove to me any have any veracity(<--sp?) then they may warrent consideration for worshipping. Then again, worshipping may be beyond consideration. I'll just say with any empirical proof they may warrant consideration of existance. 8)

Tony N · « **Reply #3 on:** June 25, 2005, 05:05:30 AM »

Heretic,
The God of the Bible is the only true God. How? There were prophecies made over thousands of years about the rise and fall of very specific nations and people and about the Messiah. They came true, therefore, the Bible is true and its God is true.

Can't say that about any other religion.

Heretic · « **Reply #4 on:** June 25, 2005, 08:17:49 AM »

Cant say that about xtianity either. All that prophesy stuff xtians like to spout is very much debatable and questionable. Not as clean cut as you would like to believe.

But Hey, who am I to pop your bubble? If that shoe makes you feel good, wear it. I still stand by my statement about the evilest thing conceived by mankind is the organization of religion. Xtianity included.

Heretic · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2005, 08:19:25 AM »

Oops.... wrong thread. Well, about the stand by statement of mine, the rest applies.

Tony N · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2005, 05:22:23 AM »

Gee, Heretic, you have me convinced I'm wrong. Not!

Heretic · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2005, 05:59:43 AM »

Gee, Tony, who pee'd in your post toasties?

I don't recall trying to convince you of anything. I said if that shoe makes you comfortable wear it. I thought it was kinder than "Whatever you gotta tell yourself to justify your silly beliefs is fine with me."

You deny the those 'Prophesies' are debatable?

Tony N · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2005, 12:34:27 PM »

heretic, sorry but you are just as wrong about me eating Post Toasties as you are about prophetic statements in the Bible.

If the mouth fits, shoe it.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #9 on:** June 26, 2005, 02:52:43 PM »

Okay, Tony...You do not believe that the "True God" will torture billions of souls ETERNALLY. Any Idea on how this God will 'correct' his creatures?

Tony N · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2005, 03:14:24 PM »

His Son was already tortured for us.

All mankind will be saved. But we should not suppose that God will forego loving disciplining of His creatures. We all still need that. For whom the Lord loves, these He chastens. Chastening proves His love. But torture? Never.

We believers who believe Christ died for all our sins are still disciplined in this life so that we won't be condemned with the world (1 Cor.11:32). Why should it be any different with the rest of mankind for whom Christ died? It just won't be torture and it surely won't be eternal.

Apollos · « **Reply #11 on:** June 26, 2005, 04:48:15 PM »

Still spreading your false gospel, eh Tony?

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Chastening proves His love. But torture? Never.

Has anyone actually stated that God will torture anyone or are you just playing around with a straw man because you have no real argument?

Tony N · « **Reply #12 on:** June 26, 2005, 07:09:52 PM »

No, it's the Apostle Paul's false gospel.

Heretic · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2005, 07:15:15 AM »

If the mouth fits? You make no sense Tony. That's your whole arguement? "You're wrong!"?

You're such a dip$#it Tony. Almost laughable. Almost.

I got a size ten foot I'd like to fit somewhere.

Idiot.

Tony N · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2005, 08:13:46 AM »

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If the mouth fits? You make no sense Tony. That's your whole arguement? "You're wrong!"?

You're such a dip$#it Tony. Almost laughable. Almost.

I got a size ten foot I'd like to fit somewhere.

Idiot.

I understand where you are coming from Heretic. It must suck to be on the losing side. I used to know what that was like till I got on the winning side.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #15 on:** June 27, 2005, 06:25:17 PM »

It's kind of strange to me that some will point out that it is a strawman to say that someone like Tony will point out that God will not torture billions forever and ever...and yet believe that many will still somehow SUFFER ETERNALLY. Go figure.

Apollos · « **Reply #16 on:** June 27, 2005, 06:32:02 PM »

geegee,

Then you have missed the straw man yourself. Tony is making the argument that God will not torture people for eternity, yet I don't think anyone is making the claim that will in fact "torture" anyone for eternity. He is basing his argument on something that no one is arguing.

Nothing strange here. :D

Zagzagel · « **Reply #17 on:** June 27, 2005, 06:53:53 PM »

Then don't miss the rest of my point. Care to answer my full post?

Apollos · « **Reply #18 on:** June 27, 2005, 09:00:55 PM »

I thought I did. There is nothing strange since Tony is positing a straw man. Was there a hidden question in there somewhere or a point being made? I fail to see what calling Tony on a straw man has to do with people suffering for eternity in hell.

Zagzagel · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2005, 09:21:24 PM »

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Was there a hidden question in there somewhere or a point being made?

Of course there is a hidden question or point in what I say. Let me illustrate with your next sentence. :D

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I fail to see what calling Tony on a straw man has to do with people suffering for eternity in hell.

So why don't you tell us what the difference is between Tony's usage of "Torture" and your usage of what "suffering" means?

Ps. Lets not forget that Tony's usage also includes more of the positive angle by saying "will not eternally" as (if you actually believe this) you may use this in the negative as 'will SUFFER ETERNALLY". I also see that Tony does agree with suffering in the sense of correction, but for a time..but how long that is (for correction) is different that what you are propossing. But maybe we should include this question to get to the point...

Is the idea of letting someone SUFFER FOREVER the same as torture... I guess this depends on how one will explain this.

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