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ChristineRH

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Paul was one who followed a false Christ
« on: October 25, 2005, 12:46:28 AM »

I would like to start a discussion about Paul and why we should not follow his teaching. Please visit this site:

http://444thechurches.myblogsite.com/
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It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, If they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public discrace.

1 Corinthians 15:58

Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

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Paul was one who followed a false Christ
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2005, 04:30:26 AM »

Hi Christine,
You bring up that Christ said Mat 16:6 Now Jesus said to them, "See and take heed of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees!"

Mat 16:12 Then they understand that he did not say to take heed of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

And what was the teaching of those two groups?

The Pharisees taught eternal torment and the Sadducees taught eternal annihilation.

Paul taught neither.

Paul also considered his  formerly being a Pharisee a forfeit because of Christ.

Phi 3:4 And am I having confidence in flesh, also? If any other one is presuming to have confidence in flesh, I rather:"
Phi 3:5 in circumcision the eighth day, of the race of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews, in relation to law, a Pharisee,
Phi 3:6 in relation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in relation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless."
Phi 3:7 But things which were gain to me, these I have deemed a forfeit because of Christ."

The question is:
Are you teaching eternal torment or eternal annihilation or God saving all like the Bible teaches?
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Did God say that He "will have all mankind to be saved" or that He "will NOT have all mankind to be saved? (1Tim.2:4-6]
Did God say He IS the Saviour of all mankind, or that He "is NOT the Saviour of all mankind? (1Tim.4:10)


Well?
Are we told to "charge and teach these things" or are we told "NOT to charge and teach these things"? (1Tim.4:10,11).


Well? Are we?

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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2005, 07:33:50 PM »

Christine.  Hi.

Ummm....don't know how to say this but here goes.

I didn't get past a few minutes of reading your blog that I noticed some harmful misunderstanding.  I noticed so many missed things on your part or apology against the Apostle Paul, and the scriptures, that  you actually use for your argument.  

Just thought to mention that before I can continue to read your personal feelings on this.  Bit I will eventually continue to read your words on that url, but slowly...in parts..to get your full understanding of why you came to the conclusion you did.  But so far, after reading your words (a couple of paragraphs) there is much to be desired.  Thats just to say that, so far, I am not impressed with your opening reasons.  It is lacking.

Just to note, I've personally spoke to a person, face to face, who demanded that I should reject all of Pauls writings (and he had many reasons for his reasons).  So I am familiar with some of the arguments raised against Pauls writings.  But I am still interested in that specific argument which I still find very lacking.  There are reasons why I say that.

May God give us wisdom and understanding.  More of my comments as I continue to read your thoughts.
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Paul a follower of a false Christ.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 10:05:00 PM »

" He followed, stalked, and persecuted, then after he attempted to explain that he was doing the Goods Work, he was, busted. You know, the Romanovae' made a death buste, of his upper carcase, then they beheaded him, and his lovers. Oh, and the buste, was sent back to his Family of Freedom, as a consolation prize. I am not sure, how they took it."

Moste Happily,
Wholly Polterguiste
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2005, 06:07:07 PM »

Polter.  Your post lead me to ask you a specific question.  Now, I would like you, out of respect for those who do not understand your use of the language, to respond in the most clear way possible..for their benefit.

Is Jesus of the bible stories someone worth following?  IF not, why?  IF so, why?  Can you address this question in a way that all can understand?

Then I will comment on you comments about Paul.
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2005, 06:37:32 PM »

"The Jesus, whom you are actually following, and emulating, is in reality, "John The Baptist." I know who they are, as does my family. I know how they operate, and the absolute terror, that they pre-meditate and pour upon sacred individuals. They are evil, evil, evil. Make no mistake about it. As to the word follow, a better word, would be hunt. These individuals, are animals, they have no conscience. Would you push or throw someone you claimed to love, in with a Kodiac Bear, just to see what would be the out come? Or place bets, to see who will come out the winner in this deadly game? These individuals will. At various times, when my mother was suspect, that one or more of these individuals was among us, she would take one or more of us, with her, in order, that we could  hear them speak, to their audiences, or congregations. Afterward, she would make everyone wait, as I walked up to their processional, and look them directly in the eyes, and shake their hands. She would ask me what I felt, when I shook their hands. I told her, that although, they could move about and talk, and that they were animated, that it felt to me, as if I had just shaken the hand of a cold dead body. Then she knew, to our horror, that they had once again returned, in the bodies, of those whom they had created for themselves, their very own children, and grandchildren. If they have no children, they adopt, or kidnap, and control the entire being of the individual, or individuals, whom they are leveraged over. If you attempt to tell the truth about these people, you will be singled out as an example to others, who make this decision. you will either be sent to some type of jail, prison, or home, mental asylum, brutal nursing home, or tortured very slowly, begging for release from their death. That is who you desire, and who you follow. This is your Jesus."

Moste Sincerely,
Wholly Polterguiste
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2005, 02:25:26 PM »

Wholly Polterquist, I think you are not correct if you really believe that about believers of the way.
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Did God say that He "will have all mankind to be saved" or that He "will NOT have all mankind to be saved? (1Tim.2:4-6]
Did God say He IS the Saviour of all mankind, or that He "is NOT the Saviour of all mankind? (1Tim.4:10)


Well?
Are we told to "charge and teach these things" or are we told "NOT to charge and teach these things"? (1Tim.4:10,11).


Well? Are we?
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